Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."
In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.
This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society 
, but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.
This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.
We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.
we have pretty much always dunked on this exact person. doesn’t mean he didn’t do a cool thing but cmon
Yeah I thought about my take and realize that it was a
"just some adolescent bigotry" jfc not everyone was an entitled white boy racist transphobe at age 23
For fucking real. Maybe the crackers were; but that's not to be defended and is in fact a goddamn aberration
So you're just gonna prove me, Angel, and like a dozen other em_poc posters' point about white hexbear like that huh
Also, how bout you put that "you're a removed" bit back in the post. I saw that. If you're gonna come be a cracker to me like that you better fuckin stand on it. But I'm supposed to believe you're 'left' after that, huh? This exactly why I don't organize with settlers
Was Luigi a racist transphobe? The tweets I saw just had some weird 'retvrn' techbro shit, but not overt bigotry.
if you mean posting like a grand imperial wizard or jk rowling, no, but i'm pretty comfortable reading between the lines with his retweets of culture warriors and childless woman panic and woke mind virus dei shit, given that this was a nominally public facing twitter with job titles and shit
Yeah man, you all were completely enlightened at 24. No shit views in any aspect whatsoever. Born well-read, class-aware and a radical leftist at 23 coming from a rich family. Come on.
In fact, none of your worldviews have changed since you were 24 and you did not grow as a person since then. Because you of course did not need to learn and grow, you reached peak leftist enlightment at 23 and then never changed a bit.
You know those same people don't have to post and circulate manosphere + anti-woke and extremely racist (see his Japan posts on x dot com) content. This man literally cheers for US hegemony and he doesn't make any class connection. He wants to read Unabomber and Ayn Rand and doesn't have any history other than his assassination. His adventurism was done out of some Postal-esque rage, which is an extremely White yankee thing to do.
The one thing you crackers can't answer is what he fucking changed. WHAT DID HE CHANGE? Other than prompting CEOs to start taking down opsec-violating information, other than prompting CEOs to start hiring security forces, probably accelerating the Cyberpunk RED-ification of our fucking society 'cause I bet actual corporate police and armies come next, and ultimately only changing the tone of cracker wind on social media?
He didn't put food in bellies. He didn't reparate anybody this country's left unwhole. He didn't free no damn slaves. He just killed an easily-replacable figurehead and couldn't even get rid of the tool when he was done with it. So it fucking goes. Shit, if we wanna talk about doing shit, I've moved a half-ton of surplus produce around my community over the last five fucking years; compare that to one easily-replaced slabbed-out body and a twenty year prison bid.
Motherfucker finna get turned into a slave over a figurehead, is that good change to you? Is a slight shift in the wind that'll be RIGHT BACK TO NORMAL in two weeks good change to you?
I'm not a cracker (thank god) but I would say that what he changed was the all-important "conversation," the "discourse." It wasn't OK to openly say that it is a good thing for a CEO to get shot until someone shot one and everyone saw that everyone else just pointed and laughed. That may not have made much material change yet, and maybe it never will (I'm hopeful it might but we'll have to see), but to pretend like this doesn't serve as a significant inroad for leftist agitation is missing an opportunity.
And what did 'changing the discourse' do? We're in fucking Amerika; these crackers are on ZERO MOTION! All that was changed was the flavor of the wind they expel! What materially changed????
This shit just happened, what kind of material change could you possibly expect to see yet? These things are never immediate and full, correct material analysis is almost always elusive until after a fair amount of time has passed where we've been able to see how things shake out. But how about the reversal on the anesthesia coverage decision, that was certainly a material change that is going to matter to a fuckton of people who have to get surgery. Really, the extent to which even deeper material change comes about as a result of this event all depends on whether or not there are some leftists somewhere who are taking advantage of this moment to seize on the widespread radical sentiment and direct it towards real productive radical outlets. And I'm certain there are some. I've talked to some who said they were making some real headway with wavering chuds, and I would like to believe them, but I'd bet there are more in little pockets all over the place now able to push things in directions they weren't able to before this happened. Like I said, it remains to be seen.
@[email protected] gave me some things to think about when xioa posted them in this thread, in case you missed it:
If fascists are what gives them that "sliver of hope," then I was right to spite them. To paraphrase what I told Awoo and didn't get listened to: you may as well cosign uplifting klansmen at this point. Like, if David Duke's hypothetical protegé goes out and caps a modern-day oil baron, I'd expect you, her, and about 86 other posters here to be chinhanding this the exact same way at this point. This is exactly why I only organize with my folk; y'all feel less and less safe about who you'll up with every passing day.
This shit genuinely about to be the last straw for me. 600 pages of shit that should have started and ended with “cool he murked a ceo, next”
there’s been a lot of shit the last few months that have made me raise my eyebrows but everyone now seemingly making the hill they die on (very aggressively!!!) defending this weird libertarian tech bro who shot a ceo as their working class hero ride or die is so incredibly Not It I swear to god I am losing my mind trying to remain here
“what’s tailism lmao nerds” these are my western leftists
"How did one straw break a camel's back, here's the secret: the million other straws underneath it."
I think the sliver of hope was someone-anyone finally just blowing away a CEO like ever CEO deserves (better than they deserve honestly). And none of them look at this guy who did it and see "a fascist" they see a pretty average almost median American politically, infected with many of the same brainworms they also are, obviously none of them recognizing it as such. But they're still at the beginning of the pipeline. There's still hope, at least as I see it. Personally I was never worse than a clueless radlib and always thought communism sounded good even as I was being taught it was supposed to be evil, but there are so fucking many leftists including here who were just as bad if not worse than this Luigi. (I don't don't want to draw attention if he doesn't want it, but he did openly post about it, so I'll go ahead and ask did you see what SorosFootSoldier had to say on that topic?) I get why you only organize with your folk, I understand why that's the wisest and best decision. But there are still crackers I think we can save from sliding further down that pipeline and stick them on the one with us at the end. Doesn't mean you have to have anything to do with them, but there are some still able to pull their heads out of their ass and look around. And an event like this, in my opinion? Can help some of them along in doing that.
edit: I wrote all the above before your edit. I don't know what to tell you frauddogg, I'm not a cracker but I'm not black. I wouldn't ever fucking sell out a comrade like you, but I wouldn't ever expect you to take mine or anyone's word for that either. Call me naive, I also haven't totally given up even on the mayos, not all of them. They even gave me a little more hope recently when they all in unison had the correct reaction to the fucking CEO getting popped. Maybe you're right and they'll forget tomorrow and nothing will come of it. But I still think it's worth it for leftists to make attempts to use this moment however they can.
I hadn't seen it as it happened; but I've since gone back to find it-- and I'm going to be 100% frank with you, since you've presumably been the same with me: maybe it is possible for someone to change in the span of two years; but the entire reason I don't give that benefit of the doubt is because putting that faith in the wrong one gets folk like me killed or worse. Maybe someone can hairpin in that short a timespan, but I genuinely wouldn't be able to believe it without a substantial receipt of their works in the time that they claim to have changed.
I agree and would suggest that you not give them the benefit of the doubt just because they fucking say they've changed. They have to show it. They have to demonstrate through their actions. Even then, I know it requires some faith to trust them, and I don't blame anyone who decides against it no matter how much they've demonstrated. If you only want to organize with your own folk, you should only organize with your own folk. But whether you trust them or not, some of them really are genuine, and if they are, they'll still do the right thing even if you don't or won't ever give them your trust.
I'd already read Wretched of the Earth and half of Octavia Butler's bibliography by 21 and had only just started my search for actually-left, no patriarchal or weirdly-Abrahamic (so no Black Hebrew Israelite, either), Black formations around then, so... I'm sorry, but I'm not going to give benefit of the doubt to a cracker who still harbored Silicon Valley fash brainworms at 23.
he was 24 lol i don't buy this line of defence at all. 2 years out of college is hardly a baby, yeah actually something is wrong if you're still a right wing culture warrior at that point in your life. if he was 19 or something i could take it as some level of excuse but come on.
This comment reminded me that I was a succdem at 24
Some times you do have to give it to them