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Hello comrades. In the interest of upholding our code of conduct - specifically, rule 1 (providing a friendly, safe and welcoming environment for all) - we felt it appropriate to make a statement regarding the lionization of Luigi Mangione, the alleged United Healthcare CEO shooter, also known as "The Adjuster."

In the day or so since the alleged shooter's identity became known to the public, the whole world has had the chance to dig though his personal social media accounts and attempt to decipher his political ideology and motives. What we have learned may shock you. He is not one of us. He is a "typical" American with largely incoherent, and in many cases reactionary politics. For the most part, what is remarkable about the man himself is that he chose to take out his anger on a genuine enemy of the proletariat, instead of an elementary school.

This is a situation where the art must be separated from the artist. We do not condemn the attack, but as a role model, Luigi Mangione falls short. We do not expect perfection from revolutionary figures either, but we expect a modicum of revolutionary discipline. We expect them not simply to identify an unpopular element of society hitler-detector , but to clearly illuminate the causes of oppression and the means by which they are overcome. When we canonize revolutionary figures, we are holding them up as an example to be followed.

This is where things come back to rule 1. Mangione has a long social media history bearing a spectrum of reactionary viewpoints, and interacting positively with many powerful reactionary figures. While some commenters have referred to this as "nothing malicious," by lionizing this man we effectively deem this behavior acceptable, or at the very least, safe to ignore. This is the type of tailism which opens the door to making a space unsafe for marginalized people.

We're going to be more strict on moderating posts which do little more than lionize the shooter. There is plenty to be said about the unfolding events, the remarkably positive public reaction, how public reactions to "propaganda of the deed" may have changed since the historical epoch of its conception (and how the strategic hazards might not have), and many other aspects of the news without canonizing this man specifically. We can still dance on the graves of our enemies and celebrate their rediscovered fear and vulnerability without the vulgar revisionism needed to pretend this man is some sort of example of Marxist or Anarchist practice.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Are people doing that? Here that is, I know the media establishment has been.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just curious, what's the rationalization?

I know the media has been giving HTS unprecedented levels of 'benefit of the doubt' in believing their detachment from al-Qaeda and pledges to form a secular state.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

They just hate Assad and I think are saying it to gloat to the people who were expressing hope Assad wouldn't fall and were ultimately wrong that Assad would potentially hold out. None of which seemed to think Assad was good, just that this would obviously be a terrible and violent escalation beyond anything bad Assad has done by many orders of magnitude.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

What? I read the news mega well and haven't seen it. Can you link a comment? I don't immediately disbelieve you, but have seen nothing personally of the sort. Things like "well I hope the people who love him are right about him, but it's doubtful" has been more the vibe.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What are you talking about? Noone on this site is lionizing HTS wtf

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

There was a lot of "let people be happy about the fall of Assad" posting in the news mega right after HTS took Damascus and Assad fled the country.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Can you link popular instances of that? I can not for the life of me even imagine it

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you go to last week's post and scroll through new top level comments, you'll find several comments in the vein of "Assad was really bad so you should let people be happy about his government falling."

I generally think well of most of the posters there including the ones I disagree with here, and it was a pretty emotional moment for some of the folks in the thread, so I don't want to call out a specific comment publicly.

If you still can't find it, I could DM you a link.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

DM me a link. I've seen none of this. Will update this comment and my other once I see it.

So there definitely was at least a thread stating that people should allow syrians to be happy about the end of a poorly-run and torture-happy government. I will nuance with the fact that this seems more in the grouping of "well Assad legitimately deserved this shit, and so people should be allowed to be happy about that part (but the other consequences are going to overrule that)." With the last part being implicit. Not a position I agree with, because I want to believe people can understand such consequences and see the whole picture, but I get it from someone close to the situation.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

Sure, sent it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The short-term memory-holing is something. The hot take was that evul Assad used chemical weapons on freedom fighters and now its a good thing that the axis of the resistance is failing.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

The chemical weapons line would have been brought up years before the inception of this site and I truly can’t believe a user on this site use it withoit irony