▲ 46 ▼ Luigi Mangione, CEO shooting suspect, is a tech worker (www.bbc.com) submitted 2 years ago by chobeat@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmygrad.ml 24 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 2 years ago (2 children) I doubt it's the real guy. Might be the fall guy. permalink fedilink source hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) If they were setting up a patsy it wouldn't be an Ivy League techbro from a wealthy family. His parents own multiple country clubs and his cousin is a Republican lawmaker in the Maryland House of Delegates. We should all have a healthy skepticism of the police account of events, but keeping your brain on conspiracy-mode all the time isn't productive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 years ago We should all have a healthy skepticism of the police account of events, but keeping your brain on conspiracy-mode all the time isn’t productive. I mean, that's what the "might be the fall guy" position here is, as far as I'm concerned. "The fall guy" doesn't need to mean some brilliant construction the cops set up to take the blame. It can just mean they made some stuff up under pressure or warped the facts to suit a narrative and we shouldn't take all of the news about this at face value. We're dealing with institutions that pathologically lie. They don't lie 100% of the time, but they do lie shamelessly. Whatever comes from this, they're not going to want the takeaway to be that they are incapable of catching someone who would do a thing like this, which gives them motive to rush to a conclusion and pin it on someone. We're also dealing with the same country that did MKUltra. I understand not wanting to go for wild conspiracies with no grounding, but the US has been known to actually do stuff that sounds completely made up. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) Police found so much evidence that he'd have to be idiotic to still have on him. Gun, suppressor, and the fake ID he used to check into the hotel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect this might be them just wanting to pin it on anyone that matches the picture just to save face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* I'm skeptical, too. I could imagine the cops bribed the guy to go to court and put on a show because they didn't want to set the precedent that people could murder CEOs and get away with it due to the cops' incompetence with their massively funded surveillance system. Like I said, I'm believe it's kinda sus, multiple reasons are plausible. We'll have to wait and see. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago This was a pretty good murder, we all saw it idunno permalink fedilink source parent [–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) On average, murderers don't go to Ivy League schools either. But this guy Luigi did. Why would he be so careless? Edit: also graduated from an engineering program. Not exactly the easy route through most schools. Engineers are famously lacking in common sense and real-world experience, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ivy League means nothing about intelligence - or rather it just means he met the bar to attend post-secondary. Ivy League speaks more to one's socio-economic position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago Agree. But I say that's a much better argument against this guy's motive (and likelyhood of guilt) than making any kind intelligence argument. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago The pigs also claim he had $8000USD in cash on him and $2000 in an unnamed "foreign currency". Luigi said himself in his bail hearing that he did not have that much money with him, and suggested the additional amount was planted. How very convenient for the police and the prosecuting attorney, because they used that money they "found" to successfully convince the judge that Luigi shouldn't be granted bail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago It's not uncommon for these high profile adventurists &/ killers to keep a "trophy" from their endeavors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (3 children) They 'found' him in a McDonald's with all the relevant information on his person. The same guy that was smart ebough to drop his backpack at the scene and leave no traces. That's fishy, but we won't know for sure until more comes out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago* people make mistakes, keeping the stuff because he didn't expect getting caught in the first place is not an insane thought. also seems like a weird individual to put as a fall guy. the BTK serial killer got caught because he taunted the police with a microsoft word document licensed under his name. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He probably wanted to get caught permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago This seems most likely to me, given the situation with his Youtube channel. Possibly the killer might be someone else but it being Mr. Mangione is more likely. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago The US loves a patsy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BoxedFenders@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) If they were setting up a patsy it wouldn't be an Ivy League techbro from a wealthy family. His parents own multiple country clubs and his cousin is a Republican lawmaker in the Maryland House of Delegates. We should all have a healthy skepticism of the police account of events, but keeping your brain on conspiracy-mode all the time isn't productive. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 years ago We should all have a healthy skepticism of the police account of events, but keeping your brain on conspiracy-mode all the time isn’t productive. I mean, that's what the "might be the fall guy" position here is, as far as I'm concerned. "The fall guy" doesn't need to mean some brilliant construction the cops set up to take the blame. It can just mean they made some stuff up under pressure or warped the facts to suit a narrative and we shouldn't take all of the news about this at face value. We're dealing with institutions that pathologically lie. They don't lie 100% of the time, but they do lie shamelessly. Whatever comes from this, they're not going to want the takeaway to be that they are incapable of catching someone who would do a thing like this, which gives them motive to rush to a conclusion and pin it on someone. We're also dealing with the same country that did MKUltra. I understand not wanting to go for wild conspiracies with no grounding, but the US has been known to actually do stuff that sounds completely made up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] amemorablename@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 years ago We should all have a healthy skepticism of the police account of events, but keeping your brain on conspiracy-mode all the time isn’t productive. I mean, that's what the "might be the fall guy" position here is, as far as I'm concerned. "The fall guy" doesn't need to mean some brilliant construction the cops set up to take the blame. It can just mean they made some stuff up under pressure or warped the facts to suit a narrative and we shouldn't take all of the news about this at face value. We're dealing with institutions that pathologically lie. They don't lie 100% of the time, but they do lie shamelessly. Whatever comes from this, they're not going to want the takeaway to be that they are incapable of catching someone who would do a thing like this, which gives them motive to rush to a conclusion and pin it on someone. We're also dealing with the same country that did MKUltra. I understand not wanting to go for wild conspiracies with no grounding, but the US has been known to actually do stuff that sounds completely made up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 2 years ago (3 children) why? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) Police found so much evidence that he'd have to be idiotic to still have on him. Gun, suppressor, and the fake ID he used to check into the hotel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect this might be them just wanting to pin it on anyone that matches the picture just to save face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* I'm skeptical, too. I could imagine the cops bribed the guy to go to court and put on a show because they didn't want to set the precedent that people could murder CEOs and get away with it due to the cops' incompetence with their massively funded surveillance system. Like I said, I'm believe it's kinda sus, multiple reasons are plausible. We'll have to wait and see. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago This was a pretty good murder, we all saw it idunno permalink fedilink source parent [–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) On average, murderers don't go to Ivy League schools either. But this guy Luigi did. Why would he be so careless? Edit: also graduated from an engineering program. Not exactly the easy route through most schools. Engineers are famously lacking in common sense and real-world experience, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ivy League means nothing about intelligence - or rather it just means he met the bar to attend post-secondary. Ivy League speaks more to one's socio-economic position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago Agree. But I say that's a much better argument against this guy's motive (and likelyhood of guilt) than making any kind intelligence argument. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago The pigs also claim he had $8000USD in cash on him and $2000 in an unnamed "foreign currency". Luigi said himself in his bail hearing that he did not have that much money with him, and suggested the additional amount was planted. How very convenient for the police and the prosecuting attorney, because they used that money they "found" to successfully convince the judge that Luigi shouldn't be granted bail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago It's not uncommon for these high profile adventurists &/ killers to keep a "trophy" from their endeavors. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (3 children) They 'found' him in a McDonald's with all the relevant information on his person. The same guy that was smart ebough to drop his backpack at the scene and leave no traces. That's fishy, but we won't know for sure until more comes out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago* people make mistakes, keeping the stuff because he didn't expect getting caught in the first place is not an insane thought. also seems like a weird individual to put as a fall guy. the BTK serial killer got caught because he taunted the police with a microsoft word document licensed under his name. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He probably wanted to get caught permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago This seems most likely to me, given the situation with his Youtube channel. Possibly the killer might be someone else but it being Mr. Mangione is more likely. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago The US loves a patsy permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Munrock@lemmygrad.ml 30 points 2 years ago (4 children) Police found so much evidence that he'd have to be idiotic to still have on him. Gun, suppressor, and the fake ID he used to check into the hotel. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect this might be them just wanting to pin it on anyone that matches the picture just to save face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* I'm skeptical, too. I could imagine the cops bribed the guy to go to court and put on a show because they didn't want to set the precedent that people could murder CEOs and get away with it due to the cops' incompetence with their massively funded surveillance system. Like I said, I'm believe it's kinda sus, multiple reasons are plausible. We'll have to wait and see. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago This was a pretty good murder, we all saw it idunno permalink fedilink source parent [–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) On average, murderers don't go to Ivy League schools either. But this guy Luigi did. Why would he be so careless? Edit: also graduated from an engineering program. Not exactly the easy route through most schools. Engineers are famously lacking in common sense and real-world experience, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ivy League means nothing about intelligence - or rather it just means he met the bar to attend post-secondary. Ivy League speaks more to one's socio-economic position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago Agree. But I say that's a much better argument against this guy's motive (and likelyhood of guilt) than making any kind intelligence argument. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago The pigs also claim he had $8000USD in cash on him and $2000 in an unnamed "foreign currency". Luigi said himself in his bail hearing that he did not have that much money with him, and suggested the additional amount was planted. How very convenient for the police and the prosecuting attorney, because they used that money they "found" to successfully convince the judge that Luigi shouldn't be granted bail. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago It's not uncommon for these high profile adventurists &/ killers to keep a "trophy" from their endeavors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 26 points 2 years ago (1 child) I suspect this might be them just wanting to pin it on anyone that matches the picture just to save face. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* I'm skeptical, too. I could imagine the cops bribed the guy to go to court and put on a show because they didn't want to set the precedent that people could murder CEOs and get away with it due to the cops' incompetence with their massively funded surveillance system. Like I said, I'm believe it's kinda sus, multiple reasons are plausible. We'll have to wait and see. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Imnecomrade@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 2 years ago* I'm skeptical, too. I could imagine the cops bribed the guy to go to court and put on a show because they didn't want to set the precedent that people could murder CEOs and get away with it due to the cops' incompetence with their massively funded surveillance system. Like I said, I'm believe it's kinda sus, multiple reasons are plausible. We'll have to wait and see. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago This was a pretty good murder, we all saw it idunno permalink fedilink source parent [–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) On average, murderers don't go to Ivy League schools either. But this guy Luigi did. Why would he be so careless? Edit: also graduated from an engineering program. Not exactly the easy route through most schools. Engineers are famously lacking in common sense and real-world experience, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ivy League means nothing about intelligence - or rather it just means he met the bar to attend post-secondary. Ivy League speaks more to one's socio-economic position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago Agree. But I say that's a much better argument against this guy's motive (and likelyhood of guilt) than making any kind intelligence argument. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 2 years ago This was a pretty good murder, we all saw it idunno permalink fedilink source parent
[–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) On average, murderers don't go to Ivy League schools either. But this guy Luigi did. Why would he be so careless? Edit: also graduated from an engineering program. Not exactly the easy route through most schools. Engineers are famously lacking in common sense and real-world experience, though. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ivy League means nothing about intelligence - or rather it just means he met the bar to attend post-secondary. Ivy League speaks more to one's socio-economic position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago Agree. But I say that's a much better argument against this guy's motive (and likelyhood of guilt) than making any kind intelligence argument. permalink fedilink source parent [+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Xavienth@lemmygrad.ml 11 points 2 years ago (1 child) Ivy League means nothing about intelligence - or rather it just means he met the bar to attend post-secondary. Ivy League speaks more to one's socio-economic position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago Agree. But I say that's a much better argument against this guy's motive (and likelyhood of guilt) than making any kind intelligence argument. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] landlords_morghulis@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago Agree. But I say that's a much better argument against this guy's motive (and likelyhood of guilt) than making any kind intelligence argument. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] porcupine@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] senseamidmadness@lemmygrad.ml 4 points 2 years ago The pigs also claim he had $8000USD in cash on him and $2000 in an unnamed "foreign currency". Luigi said himself in his bail hearing that he did not have that much money with him, and suggested the additional amount was planted. How very convenient for the police and the prosecuting attorney, because they used that money they "found" to successfully convince the judge that Luigi shouldn't be granted bail. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Idliketothinkimsmart@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago It's not uncommon for these high profile adventurists &/ killers to keep a "trophy" from their endeavors. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Mzuark@lemmygrad.ml 24 points 2 years ago (3 children) They 'found' him in a McDonald's with all the relevant information on his person. The same guy that was smart ebough to drop his backpack at the scene and leave no traces. That's fishy, but we won't know for sure until more comes out. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago* people make mistakes, keeping the stuff because he didn't expect getting caught in the first place is not an insane thought. also seems like a weird individual to put as a fall guy. the BTK serial killer got caught because he taunted the police with a microsoft word document licensed under his name. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He probably wanted to get caught permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago This seems most likely to me, given the situation with his Youtube channel. Possibly the killer might be someone else but it being Mr. Mangione is more likely. permalink fedilink source parent [+] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 2 years ago* people make mistakes, keeping the stuff because he didn't expect getting caught in the first place is not an insane thought. also seems like a weird individual to put as a fall guy. the BTK serial killer got caught because he taunted the police with a microsoft word document licensed under his name. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ksdhf@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) He probably wanted to get caught permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago This seems most likely to me, given the situation with his Youtube channel. Possibly the killer might be someone else but it being Mr. Mangione is more likely. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bobs_guns@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 2 years ago This seems most likely to me, given the situation with his Youtube channel. Possibly the killer might be someone else but it being Mr. Mangione is more likely. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] sovietknuckles@hexbear.net 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] commiewolf@lemmygrad.ml 12 points 2 years ago The US loves a patsy permalink fedilink source parent