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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

Point 1: you argue semantics to steer the conversation away from the original question.

Point 2: you nitpicking semantics is not me building a straw man.

Ignore people all you want but they, and reality, are clearly telling you that optimising for donations/money doesn't work.

Who is talking about ignoring people or optimizing for donations? Seems like you are refuting an argument different from the one actually under discussion.

Democrats are too focused on the latter, because reasons explained to you, and thus lost due to the former.

How are you quantifying how focused they are? How do you know they lost due to the former? The likely answer is you are making assumptions based off your feelings.

It seems our impasse is that's I've understood, and stated as such, your argument to be "more money, more better" which is counterfactual to this election.

Again I have to point out that I haven’t made an argument. I’ve just asked a question to someone other than you and you felt the need to insert yourself to argue semantics while avoiding the question you responded to.

I don't think I can break through that level of double think.

You’re literally quoting something that was never said.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 59 minutes ago) (1 children)

Point 1, exactly my pount, that's exactly what you did. I demonstrated that to you and now we agree. You'll notice I keep grounding us in the comments under discussion: "I think your argument is this" and "how does that have relevance to the original comment". Every accusation is a confession.

Point 2, exactly what you did when you tried labeling my argument a strawman. Ev-ery accusation is a confession.

Who is talking about ignoring people.

Me, continually about you. You ignored the original answer to your question. You ignore my explanation to why it's a valid answer. You ignore my pointing out you ignoring people to ask who's talking about ignoring people.

How are you quantifying[...]

You argue semantics to steer the conversation away from the original question. E-v-e-r-y accusation is a confession.

Again I have to point out...

1 you haven't until now pointed out that you havent made an arguement. 2 it is absurd to do so. 3 you are a meme

You are quoting something that was never said

It's a summary, I made that quite plain.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 57 minutes ago (1 children)

Still no response to the original question of ‘How do we win elections without/with less donors’?

I’ve played along with your avoidance of the question and all its led to is a discussion of semantics and nothing about the original topic. Seems like that is your intent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 minutes ago* (last edited 6 minutes ago)

As demonstrated we have been led here by you. You haven't played along with my avoidance of this question, I wasn't originally asked this question. I pointed out that you ignored their answer and then you got all accusey and semanticky.

Remember when you wanted to make a distinction between "donors" and "money", you sure dropped that in a hurry. Every accusation is a confession.

Still no response...

Doesn't respond to a single thing in any previous comment. Every accusation is a confession. This is also just a bald faced lie.

And for whatever reason they keep doubling down on refusing to do voter outreach and listening to what Dem voters want. Current leadership will never back away from the strategy of:

In the original comment you replied to. They could have done more outreach to determine what dem voters want by wasting less money elsewhere. Reality is you just don't want to listen. You never have and I am over it. Thanks for again proving to me that talking to American liberals is futile. I can't dig you out of your dogma at all.