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Not only did I not dismiss the data at all, nothing I said was hypothetical. It's not surprising that you use scattershot public opinion polling from wikipedia as an argument. You now have to explain why one poll shows a 50/50 split years before 2014. You also have to explain how it is that the national polling service retained integrity during a civil war. Hint: two of those pollsters stopped polling people in Donbas.
The factors I listed are things that can actually be assessed and that you can make coherent, non-hypothetical arguments about. You're snide and refuse to argue your case besides arguing hypotheticals. You also seem not to know the basic history of any of these nations, what you said about Finland is manifestly ignorant. As for handwaving informations, that's exactly what you've done as it regards NATO papers concerning Finland's prospects for joining and reasons for not doing so post-2012. Have a good one.
I have given you actual sources to my arguments or have based my arguments on information that is easy to verify, meanwhile the only sources you've given are vague "NATO think tanks" and an author to a study you wouldn't even name. Great sources. Maybe I should also cite my argument with "Ukrainian think tank said so" and you can go scour the web for this nebulous source.
And nothing I've said about Finland is manifestly ignorant, the only one manifestly ignorant is you because what you said literally contradicts history. If you do confidently double down on Finland go ahead, show me proof how Finland alternated between pro-USSR and pro-NATO government during the cold war. I know for a fact there is no proof because it did not happen.