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No it’s not garbage, it’s democracy. Its messy, sometimes the out come isn’t what’s best. The people with the most power should be the ones responsible. You’re not going to bully voters into voting for who you want. You have to offer them a compelling vision for the future.
Kamala chose to not distance herself from Biden and the on-going genocide. She chose to snuggle up to Liz Cheney. She made a plethora of other dumb decisions. She was held responsible for those dumb decisions and we’ll all pay the consequences.
Do Liberals want Vance? Because not learning this lesson is how you get Vance 2028.
Refusing to learn this lesson from Hillary 2016 is how we got Trump 2024. Y’all were saved by the bungling of a once in a lifetime pandemic in 2020.
There’s all this talk about we need a left-wing Joe Rogan. We have one and his name is Joe Rogan. He was excited to vote for Bernie in 2020. But, establishment shills didn’t want Bernie so they put their thumb on the scale against Bernie in 2020 and 2016.
If you want democracy to be better/less messy there are plenty of fairly obvious small ‘’d” democratic reforms we could do. But most would require the Democrats to give up power. So those won’t happen unless you criticize democrats relentlessly as well.
So in summary don’t deflect blame front those with the power to change things and offer voters compelling vision for the future.
1- the amount of people who withheld their vote for either Gaze or Cheney has to be minute.
2- I honestly don't give a shit anymore. I most likely will be just fine. If people want to act like they have no civic duty then I hope they suffer the full wrath of the shit that is gonna come from this admin. maybe when they get hit in the face a million times they'll wake the fuck up and do THEIR job.
3- That's horseshit. Bernie was fucked in 2016 but not 2020. So others dropped out and Biden took the mantle yeah? Bernie couldn't beat him. That is not "the establishment"'s fault. That's the fault of, oh look at that, EVERY NON VOTER out there who said they liked him but didn't vote for him. I voted for him and if we go by your line of reasoning- the reason he lost is "because he didn't appeal to enough people." Or wait- was it my line of reasoning that is right in that people DIDN'T VOTE? Hmm..
There was polling showing Bernie ahead of Hillary in 2016. In 2020 I would say it was more manufactured consent for Biden. The corporate-owned media was repeating over and over again that we need to run the Hillary-esk candidate or democrats would loose. It was obviously BS that there was no evidence for it but people bought it.
Chris Mathew’s literally said if Bernie won he would be executed like the Nazis. Bernie is a Jewish man whose entire extended family was murdered by the Nazis.
You didn’t get your way and now you’re saying fuck vulnerable groups. If you’re willing to ignore a genocide for political convenience then immediately say fuck the groups you ostensibly claimed to protect you’re no less racist than the republicans. You were only standing with those groups because it was politically convenient for you.
I guess we’ll see over the coming years if liberals are actually against racism or if they’ll continue to run as fascist-lite and lose. This conversation doesn’t inspire hope with that regard.
Ignore genocide? No. In fact, if someone possessed a brain they'd vote for Harris to avoid more genocide. But nice try.
My point being- people keep blaming only the Democrats over and over again and never take any actual responsibility themselves. I'm less miffed by those who voted third party (even though that was dumb) than those who plain didn't care enough to do anything.
If they don't want to be heard, then, again, fuck them. Hope they get the worst of this admin right after the trumpers who gleefully voted for fascism.