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The most frustrating part of this sentiment is that it frankly gives us too much fucking credit. I genuinely wish we could take credit for this result...but there's a bit of a problem with trying to scapegoat lefties this time around. Hilary wasn't owed green votes in 2016 either but it was at least true that if she had gotten them the election was close enough she could have clinched it. Michigan was basically the one state in 2024 where the spoiler effect really could have been enough of a factor to deny Harris a win but it turned out they didn't even fucking matter in the end.
2024 is a clear decisive Trump victory. There's no way around it. They're in just in full on denial and finger pointing trying to say the radical left cost them this one.
I've been saying this to my friends. I was actually glad that she lost so thoroughly because it makes it easy to make this point.
there where also people who did not bother to show up for the same reason
Sure, that's not a non factor...but I think you'd be hard pressed to quantify that in any sort of objective/concrete way.
At that point you're basically saying "If more people had shown up and voted for Kamala, she would have won". Like...no shit. Cool story bro. The fact is: they didn't show up and you can't really definitively say why. I actually wish I could say it was because of Gaza but I think that's extremely wishful thinking. The reality is there were probably a whole host of reasons people didn't turn out.
You are not wrong, however I think it is a bad decision to say that they would have lost even without us, or that they did not have a chance of winning if they did not support genocide. I think that it is an important naritive that our witholding of votes prevented her win, especialy if we once agan squander this chance to organize effectivly
My response would be, that's a cynical tactic you could opt for but I don't think it's a winning message both because:
A) while you can spin it that way: I don't think the data we have really bears that out and I think it's easy to call out as spin.
B) this cycle has left me especially cynical about converting the democratic party. Even though the spoiler effect wound up not mattering in the grand scheme, the Democrats definitely were nervous about it and they still opted for this direction. Given the choice between losing and shifting left, it seems to me like they will choose losing.