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[–] [email protected] 44 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (2 children)

Not disagreeing that the US does a lot of fuckery in the middle east but I think it's ultimately the UK that started the mess.

EDIT: West Texas is pretty empty. Israel can have it all.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

That mess is older than even the UK. The Ottoman Empire cobbled together peoples who didn’t have anything to do with each other way earlier.

Random Youtube video that I’m parrotting without double-checking: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JN4mnVLP0rU

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

Youtube videos are a disaster in historical accuracy.

The Ottoman empire was stable. They had beef with Armenia. But that only turned into the Armenian genocide after the Turks turned secular.

The empire was not a beacon of wealth but it was nothing like the crackpot the middle east has turned into since British and French colonialism.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

The Ottomans were quite permissive of other cultures, you just has to pay higher tax as a non-muslim, but they left you in peace.

After the British conspired to incite uprisings in the Ottomans, that's when they came down hard on their subjects to quell any further uprisings (it didn't work)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I still think its fair to blame whoever is responsible for allowing the current Israel to be founded. Just should not have happened.