▲ 990 ▼ It seems like a difficult language to learn (lemmy.world) submitted 2 years ago by The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world [M] to c/memes@lemmy.world 130 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago (4 children) I wonder if we had ž etc like Czechs would it make it easier for foreigners to read permalink fedilink source hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Klear@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Is ź and ż not enough? =D permalink fedilink source parent [–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fun fact: The Czech adopted š, č and ž to look less German. The Lithuanians adopted it to look less Polish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Based Jan Hus. Sparking religious wars and linguistic reforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago That happened hundreds of years after Hus. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* That's actually a fun fact :D. I do wish Polish would adopt this signs though, just so we wouldn't have these digraphs permalink fedilink source parent [–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It would certainly make Polish easier to read for Czechs. Not sure about other foreigners, šžčřě might be just as alien. permalink fedilink source parent [–] nepenthes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I'm learning Polish, and spelling (rz dz sz cz ł and ą ę ż ś) is all fine for me-- the thing I struggle with is the grammatical cases. The fact that the ending of everything changes is what has caused me to give up twice 🥺 I will pick it up again, but I sucked at the Masculine/Feminine thing with French, and this is a lot more difficult. CAT: KOT KOTA KOTU KOTEM KOCIE <--- (This is where I quit: Locative case took the T away WTF?!) Przepraszam moja drogi!! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Looks weired but a sound of C and T has to be somehow connected, at least it feels like they are to me. Based on my experience, sound of Polish Ć and Czech Ť are transitional between Polish/Czech T/C. Proper linguist might put some more light on it than just my speculation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our C is reffered in IPA as joined "TS" sound, so there is definitely some merit to that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Polish C is also described as /t͡s/ (e.g. co /t͡sɔ/). According to wiki both are dental and voiceless although one is plosive and the other affricate. As I've read their descriptions on wiki, they made a lot of sense - /t͡s/ starts with a blockade of airway (just as /t/) but the air is released slightly differently thus making the difference in sound produced. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The T turning into C is called somehow, I don't remember how, but it's used quite often. For example, "expensive" and "more expensive" would be "drogo" and "drożej". I think there were even some tables for all the transformations, but I might misremember things permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Klear@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago Is ź and ż not enough? =D permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 years ago (2 children) Fun fact: The Czech adopted š, č and ž to look less German. The Lithuanians adopted it to look less Polish. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Based Jan Hus. Sparking religious wars and linguistic reforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago That happened hundreds of years after Hus. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* That's actually a fun fact :D. I do wish Polish would adopt this signs though, just so we wouldn't have these digraphs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Based Jan Hus. Sparking religious wars and linguistic reforms. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago That happened hundreds of years after Hus. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Justas@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago That happened hundreds of years after Hus. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* That's actually a fun fact :D. I do wish Polish would adopt this signs though, just so we wouldn't have these digraphs permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jyrdano@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago It would certainly make Polish easier to read for Czechs. Not sure about other foreigners, šžčřě might be just as alien. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nepenthes@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) I'm learning Polish, and spelling (rz dz sz cz ł and ą ę ż ś) is all fine for me-- the thing I struggle with is the grammatical cases. The fact that the ending of everything changes is what has caused me to give up twice 🥺 I will pick it up again, but I sucked at the Masculine/Feminine thing with French, and this is a lot more difficult. CAT: KOT KOTA KOTU KOTEM KOCIE <--- (This is where I quit: Locative case took the T away WTF?!) Przepraszam moja drogi!! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Looks weired but a sound of C and T has to be somehow connected, at least it feels like they are to me. Based on my experience, sound of Polish Ć and Czech Ť are transitional between Polish/Czech T/C. Proper linguist might put some more light on it than just my speculation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our C is reffered in IPA as joined "TS" sound, so there is definitely some merit to that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Polish C is also described as /t͡s/ (e.g. co /t͡sɔ/). According to wiki both are dental and voiceless although one is plosive and the other affricate. As I've read their descriptions on wiki, they made a lot of sense - /t͡s/ starts with a blockade of airway (just as /t/) but the air is released slightly differently thus making the difference in sound produced. permalink fedilink source parent [–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The T turning into C is called somehow, I don't remember how, but it's used quite often. For example, "expensive" and "more expensive" would be "drogo" and "drożej". I think there were even some tables for all the transformations, but I might misremember things permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Looks weired but a sound of C and T has to be somehow connected, at least it feels like they are to me. Based on my experience, sound of Polish Ć and Czech Ť are transitional between Polish/Czech T/C. Proper linguist might put some more light on it than just my speculation. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our C is reffered in IPA as joined "TS" sound, so there is definitely some merit to that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Polish C is also described as /t͡s/ (e.g. co /t͡sɔ/). According to wiki both are dental and voiceless although one is plosive and the other affricate. As I've read their descriptions on wiki, they made a lot of sense - /t͡s/ starts with a blockade of airway (just as /t/) but the air is released slightly differently thus making the difference in sound produced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Our C is reffered in IPA as joined "TS" sound, so there is definitely some merit to that permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Polish C is also described as /t͡s/ (e.g. co /t͡sɔ/). According to wiki both are dental and voiceless although one is plosive and the other affricate. As I've read their descriptions on wiki, they made a lot of sense - /t͡s/ starts with a blockade of airway (just as /t/) but the air is released slightly differently thus making the difference in sound produced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Bohurt@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Polish C is also described as /t͡s/ (e.g. co /t͡sɔ/). According to wiki both are dental and voiceless although one is plosive and the other affricate. As I've read their descriptions on wiki, they made a lot of sense - /t͡s/ starts with a blockade of airway (just as /t/) but the air is released slightly differently thus making the difference in sound produced. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BurnedOliveTree@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago The T turning into C is called somehow, I don't remember how, but it's used quite often. For example, "expensive" and "more expensive" would be "drogo" and "drożej". I think there were even some tables for all the transformations, but I might misremember things permalink fedilink source parent
