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99% of people just don’t want to do the work it’s not a matter of wage and most of the time you get twice the worker when you hire Mexicans just speaking from experience
I guarantee you more people would find themselves wanting to do the work if it paid more.
The great pay exists in some construction sectors. State and Federal work have "wage rates" where laborers, carpenters, operators etc. have a mandatory wage and benefits. On a job I am currently on the laborers are earning $64/hr and our company is having a problem with staffing. Plenty of people want the pay, but as mentioned before, it is really tough work, and the deadlines mean that you can't fuck the dog. That being said, this work is limited to citizens and monitored closely. I know it is cliche to say "no one wants to work anymore" but as a 30 year old I am one of very few young people I work with. I get it, the work is brutal and you have no energy to have a work life balance at the end of the day.
You see that none of that is a good thing right?
I don't want to work a job that destroys my work life balance for any pay. Doesn't matter how much. Nobody should have to give up their life for money.
Young people are more likely to want to take care of themselves and not have the toxic mindset you and I were brought up with. They aren't just taking it on the chin, or putting in their time, or whatever bullshit platitudes my generation and older like to sling at young workers or those not willing to eat shit for peanuts.
You are just perpetuating that toxic mindset, in servitude of the moneyed class.
I'm not saying it's a good thing. And it's easy to say no one should work that hard. I work building emergency bridges on FEMA projects. I assure you it is work worth doing. I personally don't think I have a toxic mindset about the grind. It's hard work with good pay, and I find it satisfying. I have spoken to many of my friends who are looking to make more money, and none of them have wanted to give construction a shot. Although I am a woman and therefore most of my friends are women. I understand their aversion to working in a potentially toxic environment. I don't begrudge them or think they should work as much as I do.
I was responding to the original comment to demonstrate that higher pay exists in construction. It is mostly private construction that does not pay well and keeps the profits solely in the owners pockets.
Thank you for what you do, it's absolutely necessary and we need people like you. I wouldn't for a moment say it's not worth doing.
I don't blame them for not wanting to do construction. I ran fiber optic cable on poles, underground, into buildings for a long time. Not quite construction, but also not easy work. Pay was terrible, I was young, and they took advantage of me. for almost 10 years. I've roofed, I've framed, I've been a programmer, I've been a network engineer. ALL of those jobs were basically the same in that regard, decent pay sure... But the hours required, the recovery I had to go through. Nothing is worth that. I'm sad that I took this long to figure that out, I missed a lot of good times with my kiddo. I can never get that back.
That's the same thing that's happening to all of us at this point. There's NO reason there isn't enough money in the pipeline to get things built that need to be built, paying people a wage that they can live on, and without eating nearly all of their time 'off' work. If you have to take so much time to recover that you feel like it eats into your personal job, your work life balance is way out of wack.
I don't want to sound like I think your career isn't valid, or isn't important. Every single person that's a part of making our lives work deserves to get paid well. No matter their job. There are so many resources available to the world we could all have better lives, but then a small group of slime would have fewer 0's in their bank account. Otherwise, they wouldn't even notice.
To speak to the other side, there are a number of people that thrive in that environment. My dad was one of them. He's at the end of his life, dying of Parkinson's and now seeing the relationship I have with my kiddo. I can see the pain in his face. He wants to have had that with me, but decided that money was more important. He's going to die a multi millionaire, I hope those dollars comfort him.
That took a turn, I'm sorry. But it feels good to get out so I'm leaving it.
I know several people in the same situation as your dad. The whole industry is a mess, and the older generations certainly glorify working through important milestones just to brag about providing for their family. For the most part, the younger "kids" in the industry are a lot more aware of family dynamics and the importance of relationships over bank account balances. I think we will have to reach a breaking point for things to truly change, and who knows what that will mean for the economy and vital infrastructure that needs to be maintained. I'm an optimist, so I assume we could find a better solution that suits more people.