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The Federal Trade Commission is investigating tractor manufacturer John Deere over long standing allegations that Deere makes its farm equipment hard to repair. The investigation has been ongoing since 2021, and we know more about it now thanks to a court filing made public on Thursday.

The stated purpose of the FTC’s [investigation] is ‘[t]o determine whether Deere & Company, or any other person, has engaged in or is engaging in unfair, deceptive, anticompetitive, collusive, coercive, predatory, exploitative, or exclusionary acts or practices in or affecting commerce related to the repair of agricultural equipment in violation of Section 5 of the Federal Trade Commission Act

John Deere has been notorious for years for making its farm equipment hard to repair. Much like today’s cars, John Deere’s farm equipment comes with a lot of computers. When something simple in one of its tractors or threshers breaks, a farmer can’t just fix it themselves. Even if the farmer has the technical and mechanical know-how to make a simple repair, they often have to return to the manufacturer at great expense. Why? The on-board computers brick the machines until a certified Deere technician flips a switch.

Farmers have been complaining about this for years and Deere has repeatedly promised to make its tractors easier to repair. It lied. John Deere equipment was so hard to repair that it led to an explosion in the used tractor market. Old farm equipment made before the advent of onboard computing sold for a pretty penny because it was easier to repair.

In 2022, a group of farmers filed a class action lawsuit against John Deere and accused it of running a repair monopoly. Deere, of course, attempted to get the case dismissed but failed.

Chief among Deere’s promises was that it would provide farmers and independent repair shops with the equipment and documentation they needed to repair their equipment. The promises of the memorandum have not come to pass. Senator Elizabeth Warren called Deere out in a letter about all of this on October 2. “Rather than uphold their end of the bargain, John Deere has provided impaired tools and inadequate disclosures,” Warren said in the letter.

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

I see the occasional Deere dealership while traveling the countryside. How are they still in business? Every single farmer, bar none, has to know about their business practices. And FFS, independent action like fixing your own shit is core to country life. Maybe they're coasting on parts sales vs. new machine sales?

Best part the summary missed:

Last year, the company issued a “memorandum of understanding.” The document was a promise to farmers that it would finally let them repair their own equipment, so long as states didn’t pass any laws around the right to repair.

LOL, get real.

Chief among Deere’s promises was that it would provide farmers and independent repair shops with the equipment and documentation they needed to repair their equipment. The promises of the memorandum have not come to pass.

I've heard the other manufacturers aren't locking down repairs. Anyone know if that's true?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Modern farming is extremely reliant on gps and 'smart' planters, fertilizers, etc. Using tech to precisely control exactly how much seed, chemicals, etc is used can result in significantly less costs. My understanding is that Deere has bought out basically every company that has a decent implementation of this technology and is an effective monopoly on modern farming equipment.

You can move away from them, but expect your business costs to significantly increase as a result.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

I wouldn’t say they have a total monopoly. As a farmer’s son, it’s entirely about having a dealer close by your operation. Most farmers just use the brand that has a location nearest to their farm. All the brands are all more or less the same these days as far as large row crop farming is concerned. My father used mostly New Holland equipment and Kinze planters, for example.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Having used every GPS system out there (there are plenty besides Deere's), the best one I've used is one I built myself with the opensource project AgOpenGPS. Deere's is second best but well integrated with their equipment. Trimble, Raven and Outback are expensive shit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (3 children)

The real question is what other options do farms have? Let's say their tracker breaks down and repair is no longer an option. How many other manufacturers are making the type of equipment they need? And how expensive would it be to enter that market to compete? To me it seems like John Deer has a monopoly and is exploiting it.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

I live in an area with a lot of farms and I’ve been seeing more foreign brands (e.g. Fendt) popping up lately.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

By the time John deere can even get them a replacement or repair, it's too late and their harvest may just be fucked

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago

Exactly why John Deer should not be allowed to do this. Any threat to the food supply should be considered a national security risk.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not all, but a lot of this equipment is also made by caterpillar, right?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

If they do, are they competitive? Or are they doing the same thing. It could also be like car dealerships in certain states, you're not allowed to just open one within x miles of another (though that refers to more of the same brand). Wouldn't surprise me if they can't have dealerships near each other due to backwards legislation.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago

How are they still in business? Every single farmer, bar none, has to know about their business practices

Wendover Productions has a decent video on John Deere's market dominance. tl;dw It's by cutthroat capitalism of course.

John Deere has bought out all their competitors and continues to do so. Every single breakthrough in farming equipment technology in the last decade is owned by John Deere. As a farmer, you either choose to sign a one-sided contract with John Deere or you use outdated inefficient equipment that John Deere hasn't purchased the patent rights to. Or, of course, you sell your farm all together. Large corporate farms don't care much about the John Deere contract since they have the power to negotiate a better deal. A lot of small farmers have been making the choice to sell out.

Soon, all farming will be done by one megacorp, buying their seed from Monsanto, using John Deere equipment, and cashing in a ridiculously fat subsidy cheque from the government.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate myself for buying a John Deere tractor, but it was up to $5000 less than any comparable competitor at the time, included a 5 year service contract, and was 0.9% financing.

I'm in a better place financially now, so when I can and need to, I'm absolutely getting something different.

[–] DJDarren 4 points 1 month ago

I get that ready cash availability at the time is absolutely a factor, but it does make you wonder whether spending $5k more on the competitor would save a bunch of money in shit that John Deere won’t let you repair for yourself down the line.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

Remember that many of their customers are young contractors on credit who have valued 'brand identity' over more practical concerns.

You don't see many old boys on their tractors, in the same way that you wouldn't see many of them using Apple computers.

My bet is that a decent proportion of the John Deere owners who are up in arms about this are those who bought one while they were young and impressionable, then realised that they were getting punished for it and that they couldn't offload it on their younger contemporaries because they wanted a new one and couldn't offload it on their older contemporaries because they were too wise. These modern tractors are enormous investments.