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Theres enough racist people that hes a candidate

Thats it, lets stop putting our heads in the sand with 'economic anxiety'

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Age of Napoleon Bonus Episode that examines the intertwined origins of capitalism and racism

https://soundcloud.com/user-279595680/bonus-episode

[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago (4 children)

I mean ive heard all these arguments before saying capitalism is the sole cause of racism, i dont agree with it.

Racism will be here regardless of whether we are in capitalist shithead land or not, i think we have an obligation to speak out against it and organize against it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 16 hours ago (12 children)

I am saying it. Look at italians. Thye were swartly PoC and in our lifetimes they were upgraded to white because we needed more numbers to opress the other minorities with. Before that it was the Irish. Looks like pretty soon Brazilians will be white too. After them probably some Cubans than eventually all Cubans. The japanese were white for a while because we needed people to opress the Chinese with. They lost it when they stoped being a useful tool.

White is not about race. It is a class under cpaitlaism. So long as there is money to be made we will always racialize new and interesting outgroups.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

White is not about race. It is a class under cpaitlaism

nah it's race. If you have a rich black in a community full of whites they'll just kill the rich black on the day SHTF

can't imagine being this scatterbrained

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

But which came first. Is he other because he is black? Or is he black because he us other. Compare a melungion person to a light skinned black person. In that situation race has almost nothing to do with race and everything to do with ses.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 17 hours ago (12 children)

No one is saying capitalism is the sole cause of racism, that's completely ahistorical. But what is historical fact is the capitalism greatly exacerbates existing racisms.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (18 children)

capitalism is the primary cause and engine of racism. Racialism was invented in the 17th century alongside the mercantile transition into capitalism. Capitalism and Racism were born together and will die together, they are twins.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

This is class reductionism right here. Racism was around long before the 17th century lmfao.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

No it was not, the concept of race was invented around this time. Perhaps you mean prejudice and ethnic sectarianism? That certainly existed. Race did not. Might behoove you to do some reading on this subject before pontificating with false confidence

[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Lol, now you are just arguing semantics.

The celts were considered a race apart from the anglo saxons.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 16 hours ago

The “race” part is essential to “racism”. This is not semantics this is purely the meat of the discussion

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 16 hours ago (12 children)

I am. Race isn't real. It is an artificial construction we shape to whatever we please. There is no connectivity tissue to it. If capitlaism didn't enforce it it would wither and die on the vine.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

It is an artificial construction

the famous artificial construction of your skin's albedo

[–] [email protected] 13 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

The race realist has entered the chat. Get your calipers out everybody.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

Yes, I am white but I am darker than several of my latinX friends. I still get white privilege they do not.

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