this post was submitted on 17 Oct 2024
367 points (97.2% liked)

politics

19144 readers
2208 users here now

Welcome to the discussion of US Politics!

Rules:

  1. Post only links to articles, Title must fairly describe link contents. If your title differs from the site’s, it should only be to add context or be more descriptive. Do not post entire articles in the body or in the comments.

Links must be to the original source, not an aggregator like Google Amp, MSN, or Yahoo.

Example:

  1. Articles must be relevant to politics. Links must be to quality and original content. Articles should be worth reading. Clickbait, stub articles, and rehosted or stolen content are not allowed. Check your source for Reliability and Bias here.
  2. Be civil, No violations of TOS. It’s OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It’s NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
  3. No memes, trolling, or low-effort comments. Reposts, misinformation, off-topic, trolling, or offensive. Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
  4. Vote based on comment quality, not agreement. This community aims to foster discussion; please reward people for putting effort into articulating their viewpoint, even if you disagree with it.
  5. No hate speech, slurs, celebrating death, advocating violence, or abusive language. This will result in a ban. Usernames containing racist, or inappropriate slurs will be banned without warning

We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.

All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.

That's all the rules!

Civic Links

Register To Vote

Citizenship Resource Center

Congressional Awards Program

Federal Government Agencies

Library of Congress Legislative Resources

The White House

U.S. House of Representatives

U.S. Senate

Partnered Communities:

News

World News

Business News

Political Discussion

Ask Politics

Military News

Global Politics

Moderate Politics

Progressive Politics

UK Politics

Canadian Politics

Australian Politics

New Zealand Politics

founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Almost as though these interviews and debates don't really matter. They're just fuel for a barrage of bot-powered social media spam and talk radio/podcast spin.

My father-in-law will periodically pop in to hang out. He listens to right-wing radio and has friends who are hooked on it, and he will ask these very bizarre pointed questions about why Harris/Biden are doing XYZ. And all I can respond with is "They're not doing that. That's totally manufactured. Here's proof." He'll acknowledge it. But then he'll come back a week later with another nonsense allegation.

I want to say "Just Google this shit before you ask", but then I Google it myself and find a wall of right-wing hysterical talking points based on how my father-in-law phrased the question.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I appreciate you posting that. My late ex fil did the same thing. Had a total conspiracy minded friend. Was always awkward I had to be the one to say "No, Trudeau didn't do that."

At least he was nice and respectful about it. My cousins on the other hand... well, I get very high at family gatherings now.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago (1 children)

The best way to counter such stuff - instead of disagreeing right away and making their defenses pop up, just ask them where the facts are for the claim. If they say it's something they heard or read, ask where those sources got their info. Letting them dig further helps to show how valid or invalid what they say might be, it might plant a bit of doubt for the next time they run across something that is designed to be accepted without evidence. Maybe. I mean, that's all we can do really, help them be more critical thinking, even if by accident.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Letting them dig further helps to show how valid or invalid what they say might be

The problem with this approach is that it requires critical thinking.

If they "see it on the internet on Jimbo's blog" they believe that is equally believable to "its posted on nasa.gov". I attribute some of this to technology getting really good at some things that it makes those that don't know how technology works that other unbelievable things are also real.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

A more modern part of it is that if you Google the phrases they use, you get more of the same. And the YouTube/Twitter algorithms will show you similar content to what you've already been shown. Both of these work to appear as multiple, independent sources, even if it's really just a bunch of right-wing nutjobs repeating the same, completely fabricated talking points.

I kind of wanted Harris to ask in the interview, "How many transgender inmates are there, Brett? Dozens? And how many of them want surgery? One? Three? I'd rather spend our time talking about issues that affect more than three Americans."

This isn't an issue that the President should be spending her time on. This isn't an issue the viewers should be spending their time on. She'll follow the law, and that's all that needs to be said on that subject. Unless you want to talk about why it keeps coming up, to be divisive and hateful.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Both of these work to appear as multiple, independent sources, even if it’s really just a bunch of right-wing nutjobs repeating the same, completely fabricated talking points.

This is where critical thinking comes in. As in "I'm seeing this same language multiple places. Who are these sources saying it? Do I trust them? Do they post other things that are also all copies of one another? With who they are do they have a motivation to distort the truth or outright lie?"

I kind of wanted Harris to ask in the interview, “How many transgender inmates are there, Brett? Dozens? And how many of them want surgery? One? Three? I’d rather spend our time talking about issues that affect more than three Americans.”

This would have been amazing, but I don't know if would resonated the way it should with the intended audience. We know this is the same crowd that largely believes even one abortion by one person is too many.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Exactly how it went the first time someone mentioned springfield ohio to me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Does your partner hate Fox News (or talk radio in this case) for stealing their father from them?

Mine does.

Edit to add: so much so that she often wonders aloud if there's a chance she and all the others can sue Fox for ...something. I wish they could. I wish the people of the USA had some means of redress for all the harm Fox news has caused by irresponsibly masking angertainment and calling it news.