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Good job Dems, This will definitely help you get votes. (lemmy.world)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

To do this Harris needs to take away voters from Trump You’ve provided no evidence at all for this, and all the available evidence demonstrates the contrary.

Perhaps you don't understand how elections work? In this case, either Harris or Trump is going to win. That will be based on which one gets the most votes. Every vote cast that is not for Harris automatically helps Trump. There is really nothing to debate here.

Voters angry at the Democrats for not stopping arms sales to Israel are actively saying they will abstain or vote Trump.

And that makes them fucking stupid because they'd rather put in someone who will definitely destroy Gaza than someone who might not help Gaza as much as they'd like.

No group, poll, or campaign has come out to claim they’ll vote Trump Because there doesn't need to be a poll to say this. It's blindingly obvious.

Trump's voters want Gaza gone. They would be perfectly fine with just dropping a nuke on them an calling it a day. For Harris to come out now to support Gaza over Israel would mean two things. Those who might have been leaning away from Trump for other reasons will have cause to go ahead and vote for him. Harris will lose votes from those who support Israel. Believe it or not, there are plenty of Democrats who also wouldn't mind if Gaza would just go ahead and die, already. You will have religious zealots who might have otherwise voted for Harris instead vote for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 hours ago

So just doubling down on blind assertions? The lack of intellectual integrity is astounding.

To win, Harris does not need to take votes from Trump. She can win by taking votes from Independents and currently non-voters.

The evidence is that this group would vote for her if she changed policy on arms sales to Israel.

There is no evidence of a similar sized group of currently committed Democrats who would not vote for her if she changed policy on arms sales to Israel.

As such, there is no evidence for your claim that she needs to keep this policy to win and what evidence there is suggests the opposite.

That's how evidence works, your theory is supposed to respond to it.

Trump's voters want Gaza gone

No they don't. The polls suggest they are about 50/50 on the matter. Again, evidence helps us here rather than just spewing whatever we reckon.

For Harris to come out now to support Gaza over Israel would mean two things. Those who might have been leaning away from Trump for other reasons will have cause to go ahead and vote for him.

No. Again, there's no evidence from polling of a significant group who would do this.

Harris will lose votes from those who support Israel. Believe it or not, there are plenty of Democrats who also wouldn't mind if Gaza would just go ahead and die, already

No. Again the actual evidence shows over 60% of Democrats want arms sales to Israel banned, and only a tiny percentage actually want them maintained (the rest undecided). The figures are even higher in Michigan, as an example of a key swing state.