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This is extremely misleading. Fuck Trump 10000 times and kamala is the only sane choice, but stop trying to paint over reality to try and make her look like she's not just a lesser evil.
She didn't just "not promise to solve 1000 year conflict" (which the genocide has been going on for the last 75 years),
she did promise to continue funding genocide with American taxpayer dollars. (Of which the US has been giving and average of $5 billion in tax dollars and weapons to Isreal per year for the last 75 years, since they first invaded Palestine).
We are voting for her because she is the lesser evil. We don't have to be happy about it or stop criticizing her on her bad policies.
Basically: Vote for Harris, but also fuck her for vowing to continue funding genocide. Trump would also keep funding genocide, and he'd also destroy what's left of the west, on top of every other obvious reason he should never be in power again (and never should have been).
vote third party IMHO
fuck the two party regime that got us cornered here. vote for either party is providing genocide legitimacy.
And voting third party is saying "I don't care whether we get a bit of genocide or a lot of genocide," which itself is legitimizing genocide.
"Harm reduction" is not in the vocabulary of these internet addicted "intellectuals".
Nor are things like "strategic voting." It's really unfortunate
No people know what it means to pick the less disgusting turd out of the bowl. They're just tired of eating shit for "strategic reasons".
Am I the only one who just realized that these people who are so tired are usually just kids who've voted in at most two elections and didn't even participate in the primaries or local elections?
If y'all put half the energy into being consistent voters that ya did in bitching about "having to" once in a blue moon when you're dragged by the hair to the polls first.
I'm in my forties. I'm a millennial.
This is just some more 'damn kids' boomer bullshit.
I like how your big slam dunk is to admit that you've been on this bullshit for over 20 years now and haven't learned a damn thing if you think "stand aside and let Gaza be annexed outright" is a defensible position.
Letting Trump Win is an action which furthers genocide and me pointing that out is not boomer shit, you're over a decade older than me and yet you're carrying yourself with the mental maturity of the inverse.
No, I've learned that when I give the Democratic party control of all three houses, they break their own promises and refuse to use the power they've been given in any meaningful way.
I remember the murdered peace movement when Obama got into office and got the American Foreign Wars Count up from 2 to 16.
I remember the dead promise to legislate a law protecting abortion when the Democratic party had all three branches of the government and absolutely could have passed legislation.
I remember holding my nose and voting for Clinton as she then continued to run the worst campaign I've ever seen and then, as fucking always, blame it on the left.
My gotcha is I've lived a life of watching the Democratic party attack its base for the worst causes and try to shame anyone with a memory longer than a goldfish into voting for them again.
Genocide is Binary. Harris has made it clear (in so much as she has made any policy view that she holds clear) that she will follow Bidens current policy.
Biden is currently committing genocide. And yes, giving weapons to the person doing it is the same as doing it. Especially if you could stop it with a single phone call.
If the best battlecry the Democrats can muster is "think of the ~~children~~ Gazans", that's pretty sad. Trump is an incredibly low-quality candidate and if you can't put a winner up against that, that's on you. This guy shouldn't be hard to beat, but the Democrats are so committed to being the most milquetoast lip-service liberals that they can't even beat concentrated stupidity.
Yeah how dare democrats put up the candidate that won the primaries instead of throwing out the results on behalf of the jackasses that have to be convinced to show up to the generals every 4 years, nevermind for locals and midterms!
Harris did not win the primary.
Also, in several States, the Democratic party broke the law, and their own internal rule to make sure that Biden was the only candidate on the ballot.
It wasn't a democratic selection, no matter how much you want to imply that it was.
Yeah the "it's her turn" people showed up and really cranked the vote out. Good for them. She might even win. Will that save the Gazans? I suspect not.
Genocide is binary.
Anything that furthers genocide is not capable of being harm reduction.
I agree, we should just not vote to stick it to the DNC. When red voters show up to the polls and blue voters don't and Trump wins, I'm sure all the transgender people in America whose lives are now in danger will sleep much better at night knowing that the blood of all those Palestinians who are still dying because Trump is funneling bombs to Israel faster than Biden was isn't on your hands, because you didn't help put him in office.
So then where the fuck do you get off advocating for letting the guy who's already handed Israel East Jerusalem, West Bank, and The Golan Heights back into office to recognize Gaza as Rightful Israel Clay?
You are claiming the moral high ground over us lowly votescolds while taking the course of action that would actually be what furthers genocide.
And did less damage through that then what is currently happening right now. Not defending Trump here, but you seem incapable of recognizing that the worst crime that can be committed is happening now. Under Biden.
Again, Genocide is binary. It is happening now. You can try and ignore that, if it will make you feel better somehow, but you know exactly what you would have been doing in the Weimar Republic, or how you would have felt about John Brown before the civil war.
There is absolutely no self-consistent moral framework that will support your current arguments. If your moral system is just "That feels wrong, that feels right" with no actual value system, then I'm sure that that is fine with you.
Gotcha, better to not vote for a "genocider" so you can wash your hands of the unbridled rape and murder of Palestine when trump ends up president in 2025.
Versus the unbridled rape and murder of Palestine now?
Keep in mind that most of them (like OP) are right wing agitators trying to drive a wedge.
While I agree this is definitely a big issue, most of my friends are various leftists. There is a clear line where the white, straight, cis, financially secure, and healthy ones are, or were, definitely of this mind. Though, in my case, few of them are still this way, after years of discourse with everyone else, who don't have the privilege of not having to vote DNC, lest our lives become quantifiably more dangerous.
Is it though? Your sampling is limited to friends who you say are no longer "this way". If your sample is sufficient evidence that it was a problem, then it's sufficient evidence that it's no longer a problem.
In reality, polls have shown progressives to be the most reliable voters in the country. Beyond that, they are the most involved in volunteering their time for Democratic campaigns.
There is nothing wrong with getting the message out that voting for Democrats is critical to everything the left might hope to achieve. However, framing the debate in a way that blames the left for the failings of liberal centrists is far more likely to push some people in the wrong direction. It's not just unfair and unproductive, it's anti-productive.
There is a reason that when the Democratic establishment doesn't push this message that right wing trolls like OP do it for them.
Bots spreading information? yes, it is a big issue.
The point I was making is that the people I have seen that push this "punish them with no vote" philosophy tend to be people who are in a position where their life will not change significantly if the conservatives get their way.
And you figure that memes like this might change their minds? Assuming this is actually the biggest problem facing Democrats in this election, shaming voters is not the right strategy.
Memes do change peoples' mind. I have watched it happen, numerous times. Can they change anyone's? No, but I have literally watched meme shitposting, and socializing via image forums, and video games, just talking shit, and exchanging memes, change people's political alignments, and other aspects of their personalities. Misinformation, spread online, with bots involved, is why FEMA workers are scared for their lives ATM.
I never said this was the biggest problem facing Democrats, nor did I say shaming works to change their minds. You made this up. I commented to someone doubting that people are actually like this, figuring it was just bots, with my anecdote, about people I personally know, who were, or still are, like that. There is no more to it. Your imagined narrative where I said this was the biggest concern for Democrats, or that shaming will change those people's minds, never happened.
I wasn't taking about "memes" I was talking about this meme (and others like it). You are doing to me exactly what you claim I did to you.
I didn't claim you said that your position was that this was Democrats biggest problem, or anything else you claim I said (or implied) that you said. That was a simple supposition to highlight that this is not a strategically intelligent way to address the problem, even if we presume it to be a massive problem.