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Supporting genocide is right-wing, "reaching across the isle" to republicans is right wing. Failing to defend people from republican policy is right wing. Listening to corporate needs before the general public is right-wing. Failing to enact leftist policy is right-wing. Sacrificing millions of people to a disease because you're scared people will like welfare is right-wing. Hating communist countries and sanctioning them is right-wing. Filling your party with landlords is right-wing. Being buddies with war criminals like Bush JR just because he doesn't like Trump is right-wing. And defending literal Nazis? Yeah, I shouldn't have to tell you that's right-wing.

If you support the Democrats you are not a leftist, you are not progressive, you are Trump with a blue coat of paint.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

you need to be able to tell a story on the level of reality of the average person. If Orange Man Is Bad & Must Be Stopped is functioning rhetoric - that's basically the upper bound of how far you can intellectualize your position. This isn't the battleground of moral positions derived from a complex understanding of issues - you have meaningless aesthetics, you have the common knowlege, you have axioms and staked positions, the rhetoric of manufactured consent - you might have the full rhetorical space defined by news peddlers for the average "more invested" person, and you must be ever-mindful that some people actually understand their class interests even if not in a way that's able to be confessed or even candidly admitted to themselves.

Keeping it simple, and yes hammering home the similarities in the behavior of the right-lib and right-fash on urgent matters - genocides, ecological collapse, disease outbreak, all that counts. Not to be condescending, but reading people in to the geopolitical situation such that you can make your case is wasted time in this case. People need to be listening before they'll hear any of that. Else it's immediately in brains-off-time-to-argue mode

But also temper your expectations because the level of information control we are under is straight up dystopian and there's probably very little to do that's not a trevor moore joke