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[–] [email protected] 109 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Okay, before people start beating me up, I'm not arguing for complacency, but this headline is more than a bit click-baity.

This is a small poll, and per the poll's methodology (scroll down, keep scrolling.... nope keep going... ok... there you go - emphasis mine):

The New York Times/Siena College poll of 1,329 registered voters nationwide, including an oversample of 818 registered Republican voters, was conducted in English and Spanish on cellular and landline telephones from July 23-27, 2023. The margin of sampling error is plus or minus 3.67 percentage points for all registered voters and plus or minus 3.96 percentage points for the likely Republican primary electorate.

Not only did they over sample Republicans, their margin of error is almost 4% within that group.

This feels like the NYT attempting to establish a narrative based on a very small, biased sampling of data. Remember that the mass media wants to amp up the uncertainty levels (which drive engagement and advertising revenue), and with Trump basically blowing out the primary, they'll need another spectacle to ensure that it appears to be a close contest down to the finish line. The timing of the poll release and the headline is also suspect, especially as this poll was taken before the news of the latest indictment, yet presented as if it's a reaction to today's news.

That being said, I think it is an accurate portrayal of sentiment from those who still consider themselves Republicans. I don't believe, given the small sample sizes and admitted bias, that it's an accurate picture of the country.

Again, that's not an argument for political complacency - rather, it's one against media driven narratives relying on biased polling that make you scroll down six pages of tables to find their methodology.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's also a telephone poll...that guarantees it's mostly people 50 and older because who the fuck under 50 answers phone calls from unknown numbers?

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I rarely answer calls from known numbers

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't even answer calls from me.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's OK, I don't answer calls from you either.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

That's especially good since I haven't been calling you, which means that's a spoofed number

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I’d answer your calls. Just call me 1-900-FAT-CHIX.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

You'll only make your mother cry.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Man, I actually answered a telephone pole a couple weeks ago. I was so excited to get his stupid poll while I was driving, and stuck in traffic. I figured I might as well sacrifice my 5 minutes (they claimed) to help get some more lefty numbers in their poll numbers.

Then it turned out it was a fucking poll for a natural gas company trying to greenwash their image and were looking for support for their anti-environmental ad campaign.

I was so bummed. Plus it took 45 minutes, fuck polls!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 1 year ago

Why in God's name did you give them another 40 minutes after finding out they lied?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I mean, I wouldn't encourage any one to relax when it comes to Trump, but based on what's up today, there is extremely low likelihood that Trump wins. People should realize just how unlikely it is for an incumbent to not get re-elected. Trump would have skated to re-election had he just not so catastrophically fucked up COVID and thus the economy. Again, not even be competent at it, just be less incompetent.

Biden probably has this in the bag barring some act of god. He's going into '24 as one of the most legislatively accomplished presidents, great economic numbers including avoiding recession, etc. Then there is the whole "Trump might be in jail by the election" thing, and even if not in jail, he's going to be so mired in legal proceedings it is unlikely he'll be able to effectively campaign. DeSantis is a distant 2nd, and seems to be only widening that gap every time him or his campaign opens his mouth. The rest in this primary are auditioning for roles on Fox or lobbyist positions.

Again, I would not relax because if somehow Trump is elected we probably just sealed the countries fate into a full fascist dictatorship, but it's just not likely.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

I was thinking about this after my first comment.

"Was it mostly land line polling?"

Boomers. Nothing but Boomers and their lead ravaged brains. You could probably run the electricity for the Eastern seaboard with the amount of spinning happening in the graves of their parents.