▲ 1464 ▼ GEICO is Terminating Insurance Coverage of Tesla Cybertrucks, Says “This Type of Vehicle Doesn't Meet Our Underwriting Guidelines” (www.torquenews.com) submitted 2 years ago by shoulderoforion@fedia.io to c/technology@lemmy.world 223 comments fedilink hide all child comments GEICO, the second-largest vehicle insurance underwriter in the US, has decided it will no longer cover Tesla Cybertrucks. The company is terminating current Cybertruck policies and says the truck “doesn’t meet our underwriting guidelines.”
[–] danc4498@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago (17 children) Class action lawsuits are gonna be a mother fucker permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago (16 children) Class action lawsuits are gonna be a mother fucker Part of the purchase agreement of a Tesla agreeing to binding arbitration. This means no class action suit. You can opt out of this within the first 30 days, but you have to send a letter requesting it. How many Tesla owners do you think do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 52 points 2 years ago (5 children) That assumes the court finds that enforceable. Usually they do, but a few times recently, they've said it's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's one of the nice things about the law in Quebec. Binding arbitration clauses are illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Je devrais demeneger a Montreal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) *Je does "doivent" is third-person plural (they, not I) Oh, and I didn't notice that autocorrect changed my French to English. Should be"dois" or, as you say, "devrais" for the conditional. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Whoops, I really meant "devrais." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago I mean in trumps court of law musk can’t lose. If dumpy wins, for sure no class action. If dumpy loses, his Supreme Court will still side with the conservative side anyway, so probably still no class action. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bluGill@fedia.io 23 points 2 years ago i don't own a tesla, so if their cars injure me I can sue them* permalink fedilink source parent [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Steam recently removed their arbitration clause, largely because paying for a thousand arbitration cases is worse than dealing with a class action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] locuester@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 years ago I’ve heard that death by 1,000 arbitrations is a good way to make em regret it. Glad to see it’s true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Which is what Musk is looking at happening. Between cybertruck and twitter, dude’s gonna bankrupt himself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) Wow, I never thought I'd find an actual good argument for keeping independent car dealers as middlemen instead of allowing first-party sales, but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) Can you connect the dots for me? Third party dealers always have idemnity? clauses anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Presumably anything you'd agree to while buying from an independent dealer would be between you and the dealer, not you and the manufacturer, right? I don't understand how the manufacturer would be a party to the transaction. (It might be that I'm naive about how modern car sales work.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m pretty clueless too, but to me your assertion doesn’t hold up to the concept of recalls. The true answer is probably that we’re both wrong and the answer is that as a consumer: you lose, fuck you. Also fuck your family dog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago John Wick enters the chat permalink fedilink source parent [–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This didn't work for valve so I can see it also going poorly for Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] partial_accumen@lemmy.world 87 points 2 years ago (16 children) Class action lawsuits are gonna be a mother fucker Part of the purchase agreement of a Tesla agreeing to binding arbitration. This means no class action suit. You can opt out of this within the first 30 days, but you have to send a letter requesting it. How many Tesla owners do you think do that? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] catloaf@lemm.ee 52 points 2 years ago (5 children) That assumes the court finds that enforceable. Usually they do, but a few times recently, they've said it's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's one of the nice things about the law in Quebec. Binding arbitration clauses are illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Je devrais demeneger a Montreal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) *Je does "doivent" is third-person plural (they, not I) Oh, and I didn't notice that autocorrect changed my French to English. Should be"dois" or, as you say, "devrais" for the conditional. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Whoops, I really meant "devrais." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago I mean in trumps court of law musk can’t lose. If dumpy wins, for sure no class action. If dumpy loses, his Supreme Court will still side with the conservative side anyway, so probably still no class action. permalink fedilink source parent [–] bluGill@fedia.io 23 points 2 years ago i don't own a tesla, so if their cars injure me I can sue them* permalink fedilink source parent [–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Steam recently removed their arbitration clause, largely because paying for a thousand arbitration cases is worse than dealing with a class action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] locuester@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 years ago I’ve heard that death by 1,000 arbitrations is a good way to make em regret it. Glad to see it’s true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Which is what Musk is looking at happening. Between cybertruck and twitter, dude’s gonna bankrupt himself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) Wow, I never thought I'd find an actual good argument for keeping independent car dealers as middlemen instead of allowing first-party sales, but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) Can you connect the dots for me? Third party dealers always have idemnity? clauses anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Presumably anything you'd agree to while buying from an independent dealer would be between you and the dealer, not you and the manufacturer, right? I don't understand how the manufacturer would be a party to the transaction. (It might be that I'm naive about how modern car sales work.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m pretty clueless too, but to me your assertion doesn’t hold up to the concept of recalls. The true answer is probably that we’re both wrong and the answer is that as a consumer: you lose, fuck you. Also fuck your family dog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago John Wick enters the chat permalink fedilink source parent [–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This didn't work for valve so I can see it also going poorly for Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] catloaf@lemm.ee 52 points 2 years ago (5 children) That assumes the court finds that enforceable. Usually they do, but a few times recently, they've said it's not. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's one of the nice things about the law in Quebec. Binding arbitration clauses are illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Je devrais demeneger a Montreal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) *Je does "doivent" is third-person plural (they, not I) Oh, and I didn't notice that autocorrect changed my French to English. Should be"dois" or, as you say, "devrais" for the conditional. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Whoops, I really meant "devrais." permalink fedilink source parent [–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago I mean in trumps court of law musk can’t lose. If dumpy wins, for sure no class action. If dumpy loses, his Supreme Court will still side with the conservative side anyway, so probably still no class action. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 years ago (3 children) That's one of the nice things about the law in Quebec. Binding arbitration clauses are illegal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Je devrais demeneger a Montreal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) *Je does "doivent" is third-person plural (they, not I) Oh, and I didn't notice that autocorrect changed my French to English. Should be"dois" or, as you say, "devrais" for the conditional. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Whoops, I really meant "devrais." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Je devrais demeneger a Montreal. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] gramie@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) *Je does "doivent" is third-person plural (they, not I) Oh, and I didn't notice that autocorrect changed my French to English. Should be"dois" or, as you say, "devrais" for the conditional. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Whoops, I really meant "devrais." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] gramie@lemmy.ca 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) *Je does "doivent" is third-person plural (they, not I) Oh, and I didn't notice that autocorrect changed my French to English. Should be"dois" or, as you say, "devrais" for the conditional. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Whoops, I really meant "devrais." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Whoops, I really meant "devrais." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Lets_Eat_Grandma@lemm.ee 17 points 2 years ago I mean in trumps court of law musk can’t lose. If dumpy wins, for sure no class action. If dumpy loses, his Supreme Court will still side with the conservative side anyway, so probably still no class action. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bluGill@fedia.io 23 points 2 years ago i don't own a tesla, so if their cars injure me I can sue them* permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Serinus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago (2 children) Steam recently removed their arbitration clause, largely because paying for a thousand arbitration cases is worse than dealing with a class action. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] locuester@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 years ago I’ve heard that death by 1,000 arbitrations is a good way to make em regret it. Glad to see it’s true. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Which is what Musk is looking at happening. Between cybertruck and twitter, dude’s gonna bankrupt himself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] locuester@lemmy.zip 17 points 2 years ago I’ve heard that death by 1,000 arbitrations is a good way to make em regret it. Glad to see it’s true. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Kalysta@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago Which is what Musk is looking at happening. Between cybertruck and twitter, dude’s gonna bankrupt himself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (4 children) Wow, I never thought I'd find an actual good argument for keeping independent car dealers as middlemen instead of allowing first-party sales, but here we are. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) Can you connect the dots for me? Third party dealers always have idemnity? clauses anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Presumably anything you'd agree to while buying from an independent dealer would be between you and the dealer, not you and the manufacturer, right? I don't understand how the manufacturer would be a party to the transaction. (It might be that I'm naive about how modern car sales work.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m pretty clueless too, but to me your assertion doesn’t hold up to the concept of recalls. The true answer is probably that we’re both wrong and the answer is that as a consumer: you lose, fuck you. Also fuck your family dog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago John Wick enters the chat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) Can you connect the dots for me? Third party dealers always have idemnity? clauses anyways. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Presumably anything you'd agree to while buying from an independent dealer would be between you and the dealer, not you and the manufacturer, right? I don't understand how the manufacturer would be a party to the transaction. (It might be that I'm naive about how modern car sales work.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m pretty clueless too, but to me your assertion doesn’t hold up to the concept of recalls. The true answer is probably that we’re both wrong and the answer is that as a consumer: you lose, fuck you. Also fuck your family dog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago John Wick enters the chat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] grue@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) Presumably anything you'd agree to while buying from an independent dealer would be between you and the dealer, not you and the manufacturer, right? I don't understand how the manufacturer would be a party to the transaction. (It might be that I'm naive about how modern car sales work.) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m pretty clueless too, but to me your assertion doesn’t hold up to the concept of recalls. The true answer is probably that we’re both wrong and the answer is that as a consumer: you lose, fuck you. Also fuck your family dog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago John Wick enters the chat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) I’m pretty clueless too, but to me your assertion doesn’t hold up to the concept of recalls. The true answer is probably that we’re both wrong and the answer is that as a consumer: you lose, fuck you. Also fuck your family dog. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago John Wick enters the chat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DancingBear@midwest.social 2 points 2 years ago John Wick enters the chat permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JiveTurkey@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago This didn't work for valve so I can see it also going poorly for Tesla. permalink fedilink source parent