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Fuck off with that kind of language. Israel does not represent Jews and its actions are all too human. Inhumane, for sure, but humans can be quite sadistic and cruel when enthralled by fascist ideology.
But Jews around the world reject Israel's actions. That's what history will remember.
I do worry that this might have a “cried wolf” effect for victims of actual antisemitism.
That serves Zionism. Making other countries less safe for Jews means they're more likely to flee to Israel. It's a feedback loop.
many such cases of Mossad doing that via false flag attacks too
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/avi-shlaim-proof-israel-zionist-involvement-iraq-jews-attacks
Shit.
The article makes this same conflation or Zionists and Jews:
Yes, Zionism and antisemitism are actually complementary ideologies. The most antisemitic people love having a place to send their Jews to, and Zionism turns a minority group into nationalist racists.
Let's not contribute to that.
Trust me that’s not what history is going to remember…
History will remember the people who stood up against this genocide. It always does.
Any examples to back up your statement?
Jewish Voice for Peace, IfNotNow, the many Jewish members of the different Students for Justice in Palestine groups, quite a few of the Uncommitted delegates were Jewish, need I go on?
The fact that you don't believe there are Jews opposed to genocide is, in fact, the result of an antisemitic media campaign to smear all Jews as pro-Israel.
I fully believe there are Jewish people who are against this. However, the history books will focus on the acts of the IDF and not the vocal minority.
History books do mention the Germans that were opposed to the Holocaust.
Minority of what? There are polls of Jews in the UK and USA that show a majority disapproving of Israel's current government.
There's not a lot of genocides that are entirely ignored historically speaking. Loads of nations who deny them, and use propaganda machines to spread disinformation about them, but global scale denial is not really possible.
Genocidal acts are not dependent on the scale of those actions. What matters is the acts themselves and the intent behind them. The context of the situation in which those actions occur is also a consideration. But we recognize thousands of genocides throughout modern history. The Armenian Genocide is the progenitor of modern conceptions of Genocide, but the term is retroactively applied to lots of historical cases of ethnic cleansing.
The actions Israel is taking are and have been genocidal. This situation is not new. Israel has massacred Palestinians en mass for nearly 80 years. They are taking systematic actions to kill Palestinians, to disrupt their way of life, to destroy their culture, to grass their history, to steal their land and their homes, to mass incarcerate them, to mass sterilize them, to forcefully relocate them, and to cause mass scale healthcare emergencies by way of starvation and dehydration under prolonged siege and blockade. These are all very common actions under imperialist colonial regimes.
This is a genocide. The only reason there is pushback on that is because the nation in question is Israel. If this happened elsewhere in the middle east there would be 0 hesitation to label it as genocide. The existence of a terrorist organization does not provide justification for genocide and ethnic cleansing.
It's nice to hear, but I gotta say- it's either not loud enough or it really isn't being covered
It's not being covered.
Jewish Voice For Peace and IfNotNow are two Jewish lead orgs that come to mind. There are many Jews saying "not in our name" and they're ignored because it contradicts the narrative.
I hope their numbers grow to the point that they can't be ignored
Just a small correction: this is not just plain Fascism, it's ethno-Fascism (like the Nazis), a far more violent and derranged variant than traditional Fascism because it's anchored on Ethnicity, feelings of Ethnic Superiority and the ultra racist casting of entire other ethnicities as sub-human (i.e übermenschen vs untermenschen or, as the Israeli leadership calls them, "human animals") whilst the traditional kind (such as Mussolini's) is anchored on Nationalism.
Traditional Fascism being based "merely" on Nationalism does have the capacity to inspire their people to such massive levels of cold sociopathic violence against entire groups of people as ethno-Fascism does.
Or, more in general, extreme racists are far more irrationally violent than mere thieves.
I do not believe fascism can function without ethnic hatred. Nationalism within imperialist countries always takes on a racial character, and it has to, because otherwise cross racial solidarity destabilizes the oppressive apparatus.
I'm Portuguese a country which had a Fascist dictatorship until 74.
I was very young at the time and don't remember anything of the dictatorship directly but did heard the stories and saw what came out of it.
The country was definitely colonialist and the people and natural resources of the "colonies" (which were all in Africa) were definitely being exploited but there was no messaging of racial superiority and no racist hate even when the people over there started rebelling and there was war. In fact so little was the racist indoctrination that immediately after the Revolution all "colonies" were left to gain their independence as nations and all of them became friendly nations with democratic Portugal within a few years.
From all I've seen the focus of the Fascist propaganda was all about the Greatness Of Portugal (all the while it was a shithole) especially old "greatness" like the various achievements of the Portuguese during the time of the Maritime Discoveries in the 15th and 16th centuries.
That shit is nowhere near what Nazis and Zionists do and even during the wars of liberation of Portuguese colonies there was never any mass targeting of civilians over there, much less a systematic massacre and a long list of babies murdered by the Portuguese Military.
As soon as racial supremacy and racist hate gets into the picture, even in war you go from an atrocity here and there generally done remotely (as you see Russia do in Ukraine) to systematic massacres with snipers seeing children through their scopes and choosing to shoot them in their heads (as you see Israel do in Palestine) - traditional Fascism has Sociopaths leading the military, ethno-Fascism has the entire military all the way down to privates acting as Sociopaths.
Colorism still existed and exists in Portugal. I'll grant that this is a more fluid system of discrimination than white supremacy which seems to make integration easier due to having less rigid sociopolitical structures, but it's still present!
I'm not at all denying Racism in Portugal.
I'm denying Racist Hate, even back in Fascist times: people were prejudiced about those in the "colonies" and even looked down on them but they didn't at all hate them.
People did (and still do, though less) go around with all sorts of prejudices about different looking people or people from other places, especially "Colorism" (though, curiously, in present day Portugal it's more the Brazilians that are discriminated against than people with Black African ancestry).
My point is that even during Fascism and the peak of the wars of liberation against Portugal in the "colonies" people didn't went around thinking that "Africans are human animals" or that "we should wipe them out" and ditto for the figures of the Regime, whilst the shit coming out of Israel and especially from the mouths of Ministers and politicians of the governing coalition is relentlessly racist and some form or other of mass murder are common suggested as "solutions" for the "Palestinian problem".
That level of extreme hate along racial lines is simply not the kind of thing traditional Fascism tries to indoctrinate into the population, whilst it's the core of ethno-Fascism and its Propaganda.
This is far from a "just Portugal" kind of thing: even the most violent traditional Fascist dictatorship - that of Franco in Spain - didn't engage in widespread violence against different ethnic groups (or, in fact, in any kind of "white supremacy" ideas) and its violence was mainly the period of Civil War at its start, which pitched mainly Spaniards against Spaniards.
I mean, if you want a present day example of traditional Fascist violence, just look at Russia in Ukraine: they're mostly trying to take Ukrainian shit and have the Ukrainians become Russians and work for the Russian regime, not to wipe them out in Ukraine. The violence is because the Ukrainians naturally refuse and there are certainly atrocities in war by the Russians and even vengeance against civilians using missiles following Russian defeats, and that's it. There is no such thing as a campaign to get rid of Ukrainians in by any means necessary no matter how murderous.
Absolutely, that too is evil shit. It's however more of a nation state version of Theft and Pillaging whilst what the Zionists and other ethno-Fascists do is Extermination, a whole different level of Evil.
I don't know enough about Portugal to argue with this. I know about French colonialism and the horrors they inflicted, and British colonialism and the horrors they inflicted, and those examples make me suspect that all colonialisms are going to produce the same horror.
But, I don't know for sure. Haven't read that history yet. I know there's a lot of extremely violent racism in Brazil's history, but that's technically not Portugal so I can't say for sure that reflects on Portugal itself.
Basically, I don't know enough to argue about this 😅
(also pay no attention to that down vote you got - I promise it wasn't me!)
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And the Estado Novo’s colonies were all in Afrasia (not merely Africa as such).
It really bums me out seeing somebody deny that the Iberian parafascists engaged in white supremacist violence. I am guessing that that is a product of the Portuguese education system rather than a conscious distortion, but still it really depresses me. It’s like nobody cares that the Iberian parafascists massacred Afrasians.
Yes mate our ears are ringing with condemnation from the Jewish diaspora, disowning this hit piece on a vulnerable young woman.
Must Jews be constantly disavowing every new horrible thing Zionists lie about? It's not as if there aren't Jews condemning Zionism more broadly.