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Kamala Harris running a damn near flawless campaign, with just a month 1/2 of campaigning. She’s been holding rallies nonstop with Tim Walz & not making her talking points about her race or gender like Hillary. She’s offering expanded healthcare, reinvestments back into public housing, wants to take on corporate greed, protect reproductive rights and chose a pro labor, pro education running mate.

Yet, she’s either barely leading or ties in most polls with a guy that:


Is a convicted felon.

Liable Sexual Predator.

Gets sentenced in November.

Has several more pending cases.

Increased Drone Strikes by 300%. (Joe Biden dosent use drones anymore).

Illegally killed an Iranian General unprovoked with a missle strike.

Increased tensions in Israel/Palestine with the Abraham Accords.

Wants war with Mexico (his words).

Tried to coup Venezuela.

Will bend the knee for Netanyahu’s potential war with Iran.

Lowered the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% (lowest in history).

Obvious tax cuts for the rich.

Told people to drink bleach during the pandemic.

Is the main driving force for America’s current division.

Constantly attacks marginalized groups.

Tried to steal the 2020 election (Find Me 11,000 votes in GA).

Did Fake Elector Slates to pressure Mike Pence to not certify the 2020 election.

Caused a riot on the capitol that lead to his OWN supporters dying.

Just got washed by Harris in the last debate, was completely unprepared on anything but immigration (“I have concepts of a plan”).

And so much more. So seriously what is it? Is it just the attraction to bigotry/racism? Is it to end “wokeness”. Is it because Kamala is a woman of color? You can’t use the both sides argument like Hilary or Biden, Kamala is the obvious better choice. Could you imagine if Kamala had as much baggage as Trump? The media would lose their minds.

Seriously, how the f*** is this guy still in the race?

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[–] [email protected] 136 points 2 months ago (19 children)

Nothing I've read has ever explained Trump's appeal like this article.

https://www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about

Nothing in there makes a cute soundbite. "They're racist!", is far easier than having to digest what the author lays down.

Seriously, read it. It's important.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 months ago (5 children)

It’s a good article. It explains rural America. It doesn’t explain the well off assholes living in Huntington Beach CA. It doesn’t explain the well off assholes living in suburban Inland SoCal. It doesn’t explain rich privileged shitheads like Musk and Thiel.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

Exactly. I get the frustrations of the son and grandson of factory workers that finds it hard to imagine anything more than working at Walmart wanting to tear it all down. What I don't understand is my neighbor in Dana Point.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

People like Musk are cynical, attention-seeking manipulators and narcissists. They aren't afraid that their way of life is being threatened, they're using the fears of others to further their own ends, and consider themselves above it all.

That article was the most cogent take I have seen on this subject. I have a similar cultural background (rednecks and urban, religious Polish-Americans), but see myself as a science-literate atheist. I have seen this first-hand, but wasn't able to articulate it as well.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Is it a good article? I don't know. There's some truth in there, but I'm pretty sure there are a hell of a lot more suburban Trump voters than there are rural Trump voters. And in my experience of it the people who live in small towns, medium-sized cities, suburbs, edge city, and even actual rural areas are in general not nearly as monolithic and politically unified as they're portrayed there. Even if it's always clear which party is going to get the majority of votes, they most often don't get all the votes. Perhaps like the writer of that article many of them like to romanticize the idea of being "rural" because they mow their own lawn and could drive to a farm in half an hour if they wanted to, but although there's some truth in there I think it's mostly foolish rationalizations. Big cities are alien to me too, that's not a real reason to buy into all that cheap right-wing mythology that gets used to explain why we should vote against our own interests.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Of course there are more of them in the suburbs, the plurality of the population lives in suburban census tracts and the race is a tossup.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

It doesn’t explain them because that’s who the author assumes he’s speaking to.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

Those guys just don’t want to see the US go the way of Europe where scorched-earth capitalism has been tamed and extreme wealth is taxed extremely. They are wealthy beyond avarice and STILL don’t feel they are free because they come up against regulations and institutions.

They capitalize on the rural Trumpism because it is the path most likely to lead to unchecked capitalism. Remember, the US isn’t like Europe - yet. And It will take a lot of work to get it there. All those rich guys need is a government that will do nothing. So not only is tax-cut Trump their friend objectively, he creates chaos. And chaos prevents action. Rancorous divisiveness means a logjammed national agenda. Which is all they want: no action. Look the other way while they rape the world.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

Honestly, hadn't read this one and it's got some seriously solid points in it.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I remember reading this and thinking it had some points. Then I remembered that despite having some of the same issues, we have vastly different responses. When I’m lied to and beaten, I don’t look to the person that did it for help.

For instance, the church being the only social space. They could have a community center or a library. Sure funds are hard to come by but what kind of political party would even consider that? The answer is probably further left than democrats but fifty years of red scare won’t let anyone accept that.

The "writing them off" part comes from their willingness to not ostracize evil people when they get something they want. We can all be bullheaded or blinded by bias from time to time but accountability and decency shouldn’t be political.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

They could have a community center or a library. Sure funds are hard to come by but what kind of political party would even consider that?

Funny enough here in the rural parts of CA I've seen Raleys and Holiday Markets putting in large community areas with amenities like cheap (sometimes free) printers, office space, children's areas, etc.

They're not perfect or anything but its wild to see capitalist behemoths pull off something actually close to what the ideal would be, even if it's likely to manipulate people somehow

Make it law that communities with a dollar general or fuck it any grocery store we all have to eat have a community center of halfway decent quality in it like those places have done willingly and you'll have an improvement, guaranteed

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Great read. There’s 70+ million people out there choosing to vote for Trump, why? Even if the answer is complicated you can’t dismiss them all outright.

I see a decent amount of comments painting all republics with one brush. I think it’s low effort and unproductive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I feel like this is just gift wrapping being a dumb racist hick in prettier paper. They are scared of cities because their full of black people, gays, and Mexicans. They like assholes who show the same level of hate as they do - who will keep the black people, gays, and Mexicans away. And they like someone who justifies hiding behind religion so they can tell themselves that God made them this dumb and rascist. So they can delude themselves into thinking they are really the good guy.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The article describes how the rural population has been overlooked and abandoned in favor of the inner cities, leading to higher levels of racism.

“This is just dumb hicks mad at black people!”

Good job buddy

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Yea, I read it. I'm not buying it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago

Funny how you made exactly the comment the article predicted within itself xD

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

Good read thanks

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Good. Read, Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

That was an amazing read.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I mean it's definitely an interesting read. I'm just not sure what to actually do with this information. The fundamental problem feels like a generally small bubble, and at times a specific disinterest in venturing outside of it. If anyone's whole worldview is shaped entirely by their tiny rural hometown, it's easy to understand why others with radically different backgrounds feel scary.

But at the end of the day, it doesn't feel like a good enough reason to drag the rest of the country through rigid christofacist moral dogmas and support the industries that prop up those small towns at the expense of the planet as a whole. But as long as those people aren't interested in venturing outside their communities and meeting other different people, im not sure how to convince them of this.

Maybe if the cost of living becomes too untenable in major cities and work from home continues in certain industries rural areas will see more growth and this will improve somewhat? Idk

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What to do with it is to act understanding and empathetic with people like that instead of standoffish and hostile. You still insist on the better way of doing things, but there's no actual need to attack anyone that doesn't support the better way of doing things, even if their reasons aren't rational or even morally questionable/bad. It only serves to further entrench them in their positions, while the opposite might have a chance to happen in a more cooperative approach.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The problem with that argument is that 80% of people live in cities. There are not enough rural people for them to be a majority of the Republican party.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

In america, land votes more than people. We have the electoral college, the senate, and gerrymandering. Rural areas by design have wildly outsized power. This was done intentionally to preserve slavery

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

We have the electoral college, the senate, and gerrymandering.

The outsized effect of the EC and Gerrymandering have a very simple fix. I wonder why Democrats never talk about it?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Jason Pargin is a goddamn hero.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Low density places are always going to kind of suck on a lot of metrics. You just don't have the people to support a lot of stuff. I'm sorry that small towns are dying but like there's not really a reason they'd thrive.

Cities have been important since like the dawn of history. At least farms grow food. Suburban sprawl is the worst.

Cost of living needs to go down and wages up, but no one should be vying for low density.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Fun piece. I don’t know about best explanation ever.

It starts out talking about how movies idealize simple honest people from the heartlands (Star Wars, The Hunger Games, Braveheart) but then says:

the whole goddamn world revolves around them. Every TV show is about LA or New York, maybe with some Chicago or Baltimore thrown in. When they did make a show about us, we were jokes

So which is it? Does pop culture feed rural America’s sense that it is “Real America” or does it make them hillbillies?

As if explaining politics through TV and movies isn’t reductive enough, it can’t seem to keep its own story straight for ten paragraphs in row.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

That was from before we knew better. We've seen since then that it is indeed racism and hatred that powers the Republican base. That's why the GOP doesn't need to have any real policy laid out anymore. They just have to promise to hurt the "right" people this time around. Any sane Republicans that existed then are voting Democrat now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I've read this article when it was posted before and my impression is it does EXACTLY the thing to non-rural voters as it warns the reader about doing to rural voters. I can quote the bits if you are going to force me to read it again, but I don't see how anyone can fail to see that.

It also doesn't change the fact that the party who might actually make their lives better is NOT the one they are voting for.

Also - racism (and bigotry generally)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That was an amazing read. My hometown was really similar, though maybe not as desolate. Lucky there was a college town close by so we could shop at some place that wasn’t Walmart. This really does sum it up, though, the appeal of Trump out of these smaller rural communities. I like the message at the end, too. Thanks for sharing. 🙏

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That's an interesting point of view.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

I would love to but the amount of ads on that article make it absolute cancer on my phone.

An add every other paragraph. It’s fucking gross. And yes. I am using addblockers.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

This explains a demographic analysis without explaining anything meaningful or unique. The article could be about any post-Regan Republican campaign (such demographic analysis is used by all modern campaigns, on bith sides), so it wasn't a satisfying article. Combined with all the pop culture references, it comes off as quite immature and an unextraordinary explanation. Mediocre.