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Tipping is dumb, but tipping in Trump propaganda 10x dumb.
10x asshole move, I’d say.
Basically like saying “I think tipping sucks and your boss should be rolling your pay into the meal. So I’m not going to tip you. That said, I’m also going to vote for the party that supports your boss offloading employee pay onto customer tips.”
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Tipping seems to be a cultural thing in the States.
Here in the UK we take the Mr. Pink approach to tipping.
It stopped being a cultural thing decades ago. Now it’s about about companies not paying employees a living wage and America’s right wing constantly blocking legislation that would force employers to pay people enough to have shelter and food.
It actually started as an economic thing too, because businesses during the great depression weren't able to consistently pay living wages.
It was originally a way to be able to hire black people and not pay them
It started much earlier than that and has roots in racism. https://time.com/5404475/history-tipping-american-restaurants-civil-war/
During the UK lockdowns, I tipped all the front line workers where I could. That's it.
I'm not tipping someone as compensation for doing their job, that's what their employer is for.
I tip for exceptional service. If someone goes above and beyond what's required of them, I leave a tip. I also tip if I make their lives more difficult that they should have been.
Dealing with our general public, during COVID definitely counts as both. Particularly with the number of people who couldn't figure out how to wear a mask. At the same time, I also didn't go out much during the pandemic, mostly due to the whole pandemic thing going on.
What is exceptional service? How is it different from bad service? As an introverted north european I never figured this out myself. For me good service means I don't need to wait too long for my food/get the check but other than that I want to be left alone. I imagine I would find "good service" quite uncomfortable.
It's generally context and individual specific. E.g. a bed delivery driver is paid to get it to your door. If they also lug it up the stairs to the loft room, that is exceptional service.
Another might be a restaurant team who deal particularly well with a food allergy. E.g. making specific checks of requirements, and going out of their way to make a dish in a safe manner. Rather than just saying it's not an option.
Have you noticed all take aways have delivery charges in the UK since Covid? I assume it's because few of us have cash about anymore so the drivers aren't getting tipped.
Last time I tried to tip a delivery driver im the UK they said they can't take it..
Given we pay for delivery though and it's difficult to see what a driver could do above and beyond that isn't just 'doing their job' that's probably a good thing, provided they're getting a decent amount of it.
It's about how fast it got there for me in the past, which I know isn't always in their control, but there needs to be some criteria.
It used to be quite the opposite. Tipping was big in Europe but not in the US.
That changed with Prohibition. When alcohol was banned, there was suddenly a large whole in the bottom line of restaurants across the US. They turned to having a tipped staff to stay open.
Sadly, when it was repealed, tipping stayed. It was since inflated from 10% to 15% to now over 20%.
Some have tried to get rid of it, but sadly it hasn’t worked.
It dates back further than that. It was a great way to not pay recently freed slaves as much as white people during the Jim Crow south.
if you're wanting to protest those businesses, you might wanna start with not buying from them in the first place.
Not always that easy is it, if you want to go out you have to find a place that advertises their no tipping policy. It's go and don't tip or stay at home or else take part in a shit system.
No, see if you go and dont tip, you're still taking part in the shit system, just with a side of hurtin workers. The owners making just as much money and doesnt need to change what he's doing.
The problem is that not tipping doesn’t punish the people creating the tipping issue, just making the people who are oppressed by it suffer more.
Disliking tipping is no reason to screw hardworking people over. Tipping is a fact of life, even if you think it’s dumb.
But it doesn’t have to be if the employers pay how they should
Sure but until they do a lot of those people need tips to get by and it's far from as easy as "just get a different job"
Source: used to be one such person
Ultimately, we need to tip people in the short term to keep them afloat until we can work with them in the long term to get America to the standard that most of the rest of the world takes, where tipping is a special case scenario only for exceptionally good work, and never to be needed or expected.
It really doesn't have to be a "fact of life", and it isn't in many places, such as Australia and England -- nations with very similar degrees of economic prosperity, and very similar cultures, to the USA.
People have tried and failed. But my point is, until that time you have to tip. I don’t care for people that don’t tip while arguing they are doing their server a favor. It is a disingenuous attempt to be cheap. A server’s paycheck should not be held hostage to a a war on tipping culture.
I don't see them saying they don't tip, but arguing against the system in place. Which are two separate things.
not "could" but "are legally obliged to, by federal law"