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Tim Walz says he's 'sick and tired' of prayers after Georgia school shooting
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This shooting in particular shows major society-level failures. The parents were victims of the opiate crisis. Society failed to treat that problem at an appropriate level when it first cropped up and they failed to claw back the profits pharmaceutical companies made off creating addicts. We failed to fund school mental health services that could have helped a child who everyone knew was struggling. Society failed to recognize and address the domestic violence situation, failed to intervene when the child was being raised by addicts, and failed to remove guns from such a volatile situation. There are so many levels on which any significant intervention could have prevented this chain of events.
This kid was already reported for threatening a school school shooting last year and the investigation stopped after they asked him if he did that and he said no. It's a fucking joke.
Country that insists we have a "mental health crisis" providing absolutely zero mental health care to people who are clearly showing all the symptoms of said crisis.
Country that says "nothing can be done to stop this" did nothing to try to stop this.
If they did literally ANYTHING after that it would have Infringed on his Second Amendment Rights! Your ONLY allowed to take someone's Guns away AFTER they've killed people! Or they're ~~Nig~~ Black!
Hey, you can't just take away Black people's guns like that! You shoot them for having a gun, because you "feared for your safety" because they were exercising their Second Amendment Rights!
He should have been institutionalized. I'm of the opinion that if you're too dangerous to possess a gun, you're too dangerous to be loose in society.
Exactly, people with serious problems need to be off of the streets.
Why do all the law-abiding sane people have to give away their rights when we already have ways to remove dangerous people from society.
This is the real takeaway. The Republicans want to do nothing, and the dems want a quick fix in gun control. Neither addresses the root of the problem. The world as a whole needs to invest more in social services, education, and public health. It should be where the majority of money goes really.
I've heard plenty of arguments from Dems for mental health care at various levels. Those things need to be funded, and who do you think keeps trying to defund government agencies and services for social/mental health issues? Usually not the Dems. The Dems have plenty of faults, including their lack of spines (in at least some cases), but the lack of funding for social services is not usually one of them.
They talk about it sometimes. But never do anything. And more importantly, it doesn't even make Americans top ten. I don't have much faith in politicians doing anything about it until it is in the top 5. https://news.gallup.com/poll/642887/inflation-immigration-rank-among-top-issue-concerns.aspx
What about these ones?
This took 2 minutes of Googling, and I know that many bills have been proposed at the State level in many different states (including the last link, signed into law by Tim Walz), largely championed by Dems.
I'm sorry, I consider "introducing" a bill nothing more than talk. And I should have specified at the federal level. State level dems and even Republicans do sometimes accomplish things for the greater good.
On the other hand some of those "quick fixes" are actually modernizing our gun laws to be like other countries that allow gun ownership. We should put all the work in but calling Universal Background Check and Red Flag quick fixes is like calling a highway lane expansion a quick fix. Yes we need a bus system, but the 2 lane road built in the 1950's isn't cutting it anymore either way.
I agree they should still be done. I just want some progress on the root of the problem.
One would think it would be a bipartisan idea that a kid with two parents who are addicts should receive some sort of government intervention.
Conservatives hear "sins of the father" and assume it means that children MUST suffer for what their parents did wrong
And yes, I've legitimately heard multiple CHRISTIAN conservatives use that line in that manner and it amazes me they didn't realize they had it fucking backwards
We don't have bipartisan ideas anymore. Both sides run on hate for their opponent. So they can't be seen as working with them.
Not really. One side runs on hate. The other side is willing to cross the aisle but won't compromise to the extreme level the other side demands. Look at the border bill. It was a fair bipartisan compromise, but it wasn't far enough for the right.
Most democrats run on not being trump. I consider that running on hate. But I could understand if others don't. As for the border bill... they only floated that because 1.. they were pretty sure the Republicans wouldn't want to give them a win. And 2.. they were trying to woo conservative voters to vote for Biden. It was a win win stunt that they wouldn't have done if the election wasn't close.
You do realize there is a difference between hating Trump because he's a fraudulent criminal and hating everyone who isn't a white Christian, right?
You do realize there is a similarity between "hating Trump because he's a fraudulent criminal and hating everyone who isn't a white Christian" right? It's hate. And more importantly it is a way to rally people to your side without having to promise to accomplish anything that would move the country forward.
Hating people trying to harm you is justified. Hating people because they are different is not. Trump and MAGA Republicans are an existential threat to this country. Moving the country forward is only an option if it still exists as a representative democracy.
Yes. We need full societal fixes. But gun control is part of that.
14 year olds have no business having unsupervised access to weapons. We need better storage laws. We need better red flag laws, national licensing laws so that everyone with a gun has to take a basic safety course, and we need universal background checks where ALL branches of law enforcement share info with each other.
Start there and you will significantly cut gun violence while we spin up the mental health infrastructure to deal with the rest. Which is going to take time. And money. Neither of which the current government wants to spend.
While I think all of those laws make good sense. I don't think they will actually reduce gun violence much. Most of them people will just ignore like they do the advice to store guns better. The law will only punish people after the fact. And everyone else will always think that it will never happen to them.
And the system fails to protect people with straight up restraining orders against others. It won't be able to do much with all the other things you mention. So focusing on those, and of course never achieving them, is just the carrot on a stick the dems use to get the voters out. If they weren't a political focus they would actually have a better chance of happening.
I don't want to argue against mental health services, i think mental health services could be helpful. However, i do want to point something out here: saying this is a mental health problem really doesn't make sense. You know a group that has mental health problems? Women. You know who else? Black people. You know who barely do any mass shootings? Either of those groups. We're not (just) talking mental health issues, we're talking about people who view "shooting up a school" as an appropriate way to resolve their social grievances. You can help that with mental health services, you can take their power away by blocking easy access to guns, but that's a pretty big component here as well.
The expression of mental health problems varies widely based on the cause. Societal and cultural pressures are vastly different for different groups. Men in general are 4 times more likely to commit suicide than women for example. Women are twice as likely as men to suffer major depression.hormones also impact the expression of mental illness. Men experiencing depression are more likely to exhibit irritability, sudden anger, increased loss of control, risk-taking, and aggression. Men are also more likely to feel social pressure to deal with their problems alone and are more likely to turn to drugs or alcohol.
This may be the first coherent analysis I've ever seen on Lemmy. Every other take on shootings are always 100% asinine comments about guns.
I'm not going to pretend that I don't have asinine opinions on guns, but there is very little anything but the most authoritarian gun control can do about school shootings without first addressing the social problems behind it. We would be just as likely to get kids building bombs or driving cars through crowds.