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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

I was so excited for Ladybird, right up until I found out the project lead and main developer, Andreas Kling, is scared of pronouns.

Again, I'm aware some folks think this is annoying, but if you're the kind of user who shuns Brave because the CEO does stupid shit, Ladybird probably isn't the way to go either. Not for the moment, at least. People deserve the right to make informed decisions, so I'll keep sharing this, and I encourage others to do the same when relevant, but don't harass anyone, please.

If you don't care about any of this, it's a very interesting project. I just can't say I approve.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Lunduke is not a credible source. He's inconsistent and has misled people countless times. I'll still check it out and respond, but will also link other resources.

Edit: You know, I wanted to respond to the linked post by Lunduke point by point, but sincerely... I'm so tired of seeing his kind of content. It's always the same mistakes, and he never learns.

And I'm not sure if he's even worth bringing into this discussion. I made my point, and I provided my source. If anyone wanted to talk, ask further, even dispute, I'm willing to explain myself and provide further resources.

But I never called Andreas transphobic, or misogynistic, or a slave owner. Lunduke found the absolute worst materials to represent something he dislikes. Why is that relevant here? Should I answer for these people, who I've never met? Do they represent me?

Also, in his cherry-picking, Lunduke erases important context simply because it doesn't support his views. Lea's and Andreas' conversation on Twitter painted a more complete picture of the issue with Andreas' actions, but of course Lunduke only shows the tweet of Andreas being seemingly reasonable.

Worse, it's like he genuinely has no idea what he's talking about sometimes. He just needs to build a narrative and push it onto others, hopefully finding people who'll take his views on reality as gospel.

Attacks Across Open Source

So many projects:

SUSE & openSUSE. Hyprland. Asahi Linux. Elementary OS. NixOS.

Lunduke, what? Genuinely, what are you on?

  • Nix has long had an amount of drama, just search "are flakes ready." Or are you talking about the complaints when people didn't feel comfortable being sponsored by military companies? Very reasonable human behavior? Is that what's wrong with Nix? And despite it all, it's still one of the best ways to manage dependencies I've ever seen!
  • Hyprland? What's wrong with Hyprland? Yeah, the project has a toxic community, vaxry (lead dev) failed to understand why this was bad and failed to fix it, then eventually got kicked off Freedesktop because others didn't want to deal with his shit. Now they get to build their own little kingdom, and it's apparently "working out" for those who remained.
  • Asahi is the way to have a good Linux experience on newer M-series Apple hardware, which recently got a Fedora spin and gets better every update... what could possibly be wrong with it? Is it the fact that one of the most prolific developers supports LGBT rights? No, that can't be it, there's no way Lunduke—

In fact, if recent history is any indication, we're likely to see additional attacks involving Open Source Software projects and companies -- by the Trans Political Activists -- in the near future.

...Trans rights are ruining open source? That's your grand theory?

Might be, as it seems he doesn't take trans folks very seriously:

Back in 2022 -- yes, two years ago -- on the Discord chat server for the Hyprland window manager project, a man who identified as "Trans" listed his preferred prouns as "she/her". lunduke

I'm so sorry, but Lunduke's brand of journalism tires and saddens me. It's a slap in the face to anyone who cares about not only understanding the full picture of events, but being just in how you deliver the truth to others. And then, on top of that, he acts like a jerk.

Here's a video by Niccolò, KDE developer, showing how Lunduke is inconsistent, heavily biased and spectacularly fails at his own (and only) job.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

~~While I do agree, he has sourced and linked all statements~~

Edit: ._. What does any of that have to do with Andreas, ladybird or Serenity.

I do not care if you have some sort of hate for the blogger, all the statements made in the article are sourced. You're acting like the blogger is attacking you specifically or something.

Andreas said it simple (While in different words). What does your sex have to do with the project? Absolutely nothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

all the statements made in the article are sourced.

If only his sources matter, link those instead. Bringing in Lunduke's article means bringing in his views. That's not some special Lunduke-hate-boner property, if anyone linked an Israeli news website in a thread about Gaza, I'd call that ridiculous too. Articles reflect their authors, and you happened to pick one of the worst authors in tech.

You're acting like the blogger is attacking you specifically or something.

Because Lunduke's ideas can cause real damage to people's lives, and I'm tired of seeing them. Again, I'm sorry if I come across as affronted—this genuinely, deeply frustrates me. And it's hard to hold that down.

I don't blame you. I don't know how you found the article, or how you read it. But please reconsider sharing Lunduke's stuff. The man's one step away from conspiracy theorist, or hell, maybe he counts as one already.

Andreas said it simple (While in different words). What does your sex have to do with the project? Absolutely nothing.

"In different words" is doing a lot of work, there. But that's a great point you made, sex has nothing to do with the project. So why did he reject a simple change which only made sex even less relevant?

And I ask again: which other side is Lunduke representing that you felt was important to include?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Apologies, I added a lot to my comment in an edit before I saw your reply. Regardless, which other side is Lunduke representing that's important to share?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

That’s ridiculous.

Forcing all pronouns to male is injecting politics into it, and to turn around and say “dont inject politics into it” is ridiculous. The dev is a fucking idiot, as is whoever wrote that garbage.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Go ahead and read the current build instructions since the original commit is from 3 years ago. https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/blob/master/Documentation/BuildInstructions.md

Do you see the use of pronouns anywhere?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/24647

July, they are still pulling this shit today. Fuck off with your dishonest nonsense.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Thank you for suggesting we not harass anyone. That is a lot better than I have seen elsewhere related to this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

Andreas doesn't need a bunch of people harassing him for a multitude of reasons that may or may not be true. What I believe he needs, is to reevaluate his actions and grow out of what seems to be a toxic mentality, conscious or not.

I'm not the very knowledgeable on this, but I think most people don't grow from being attacked.

Realistically, it can't stop the stubborn. But if it helps anyone reconsider, I'll take it.