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We need to stop making fun of men wearing eyeliner. Everything else is fair game but no matter how we spin it or couch it in “well they care, it’s just hypocritical, I don’t care!” it’s a very gendered insult that requires mocking men who wear eyeliner. It’s not clever and it punches down.
It's not about mocking someone who wears eyeliner, it's about mocking someone who wears eyeliner and pretends they don't.
your cause is noble, but the outrage over mascara man vance bashing is misguided. "punching down" is insulting race, sexuality, gender, disability, and any other thing that no one chooses for themselves*. makeup is 100% a choice, for everyone. in vance's example it's a ridiculous choice, given the requisite strictly defined GOP persona of the "manly man," which obviously doesn't involve men wearing makeup. so vance will be mocked for it.
where's the outrage over making fun of trump's orange spray tan? guliani's hair dye leaking forehead?
and if you're going to bring "gendered insult" into the conversation, then exactly who is arguing under the flawed premise that mascara is just for women, if not the person calling the insult gendered?
don't worry, i make fun of many, many choices people make, from cartoonishly huge pickup trucks, to cargo shorts
*edit: apparently "punching down" is generally defined to mean attacking people 'less powerful' than yourself. i'm still including unchosen circumstances in my usage
I feel like there's only a handful of people in the world who can "punch down" at a US senator currently running for vice president. I don't think any of them are hanging out in Lemmy.
You're a monster. How could you make fun of cargo shorts?
LOL it's not just me. how many women do you know who don't think cargo shorts make us look like clowns?
My mom says they make me look handsome and agrees that it's neat that I can carry all the sticks and rocks we find at the park!
you do you champ!
That's just anger and jealousy because the fashion industry takes all the pockets from women's clothes so that there will be enough for men's cargo shorts. I mean, I get that, and it doesn't seem fair, but I'm not giving up all the pockets.
which is completely justified. women get attacked for not looking perfect 100% of the time, not wearing makeup, not shaving their entire body, AND can't find any clothes that have a single functional pocket. and god forbid a gray hair shows up
meanwhile, i'm applauded for not giving a rat's ass what i look like, shaving zero square inches of any part of my body, and i have the option of clothes with ridiculous numbers of pockets. which IS an option because we don't have to worry about being attacked for not caring what anyone thinks
All true, but the answer isn't getting rid of cargo shorts
no--don't get rid of cargo shorts! i need them for my dudebro cookouts
They stop laughing when I pull an entire Chinese dinner for five out of those cargo shorts. Y'all sneak in your candy to the movies. I'll do it my way.
The liberal urge to make sure a racist misogynist narcissistic fascist is comfortable in their spaces
I don’t care about his comfort. I care about men who like to wear makeup being told to go back to their gender’s corner.
meh fuck that shit
What we should do is praise them for normalizing makeup for men.
I'm sorry but Couch-fucker McGuy-Liner is way too good not to use.
LOL stealing that, fyi
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Aite objectively funny. I walked right into that one lol
I fully disagree. He's only getting mocked for that because he's a "manly man" who would surely criticize others for similar things. And punish anyone who isn't cis. No one (surely some exceptions but a very small percentage) mocking him for this would ever do so if he weren't like that.
And I don't agree that it's fair game to repeat a made up lie because it's supposedly funny. That's what Republicans do.
After watching Lemmy spout conspiracy theories galore minutes after the trump shooting and also not give a single shit about this "funny meme" being false, it's really got me questioning if the left is any smarter than the right. Something I have taken for granted for decades. It's depressing.
republicans push their lies as facts. no one is trying to claim the couchfucker meme is true. it's trolling. not remotely the same thing as what republicans do. plus it's hilarious.
no, vance's new name is couchfucker, but I'm sure he appreciates you getting upset about it for him
Not everyone understands the trolling. I believed it might be based on something real for a couple days. Nope, just something that was made up. I've seen numerous people asking about it also, confused as hell...
I mean even if he really did write some shit like that, it would barely be funny enough to repeat for more than a week. But he didn't.
saying someone fucks couches is also not remotely comparable to making accusations of rigged elections, rigged judges, pushing, as fact, mountains of conspiracies, and on and on- while the top of their food chain is convicted felon and rapist
it seems ridiculous to even have to spell out these distinctions because of vance the couchfucker
Spreading false information should be avoided if you wish to be seen as being above it. That remains true no matter the content. It seems ridiculous to me that people seem to cling to the joke so hard that I need to spell that out.
So you want people to go high and drop thecouchfucker joke but mocking men for makeup is ok? How do you not see the ridiculous inconsistency here?
I explained it, it makes sense. Reject all you wish.
Thanks for your permission to openly call you a hypocritical ass.
Knock yourself out. You can pretend that this is about "men" and not about a particular man for a particular reason. Enjoy your stupid boring joke -- and the ammo you give moronic republicans who love to do the same kind of shit to democrats.
Removed, civility.
Noted
Removed, civility.
I guess civility only applies to one of us
I guess ignoring logic and passing judgment when it's clearly uncalled for applies to this "conversation"
Vance is a piece of shit. This isn’t about him. The problem is you seem content making gendered attacks but draw the line at clearly absurd jokes. It doesn’t make sense.
Please stop responding. This is a really weird thing to be so outraged about, even if I had refused to explain.
You could have simply ignored me at any step of this conversation dude. Please spare me the faux high horse here. Block me, ignore me, whatever. You don’t have to have the last word.
lol but you do