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Are we going down the same path as US politics?
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@Ilandar @trk
No. We are perfectly capable of having our own version of the right wing extremist shambles. Reaction to hard times. Source good news. Stay calm and vote against them.
@Ilandar
I can't see the daily discussion topic, but it was something about Aus developing trends of USA politics. They're already here. We have two republican parties.
LNP and the Greens?
I'm struggling to understand what's going on here, even if I click up to view context. If we're talking "two republican parties" with a lower case R, I'd think that would be Greens and (some of) Labor.
If we're talking about analogies to American politics, surely that would be LNP, One Nation, and United Australia Party, but the latter has just 1 Senator and zero state representatives, so maybe we're ignoring it to get to 2 Republican parties. Or maybe they meant Liberal and National as two parties?
Tagging @[email protected], your interlocutor, for visibility.
Yeah I meant to include a "/s" because I'd probably associate Greens, Labor and around the "Malcolm Turbull" part of the Liberals with the Democrats, and the Nationals, One Nation, UAP and the rest of the Liberals with the Republicans
@Zagorath @unionagainstdhmo
Allow me to focus on the anti-protest law.
How did that arise from the workers?
Isn't industrial action a fotrm of protest?
I genuinely don't have any clue what you're trying to say here, sorry.
@Zagorath
I love most things about the labor party, but the anti-protest laws passed on their watch. The law is undemocratic and does not represent my rights as a worker. Democracy under attack https://www.hrlc.org.au/news/2024/07/03/protest-peril
@unionagainstdhmo
I was being sarcastic. I meant republican in the American sense of being reactionary. The Labor party seems compromised by the mining lobby.
Riiiiiight I thought you meant in terms of politics and my response about the Greens was being sarcastic. Though the Greens and LNP get dragged into culture wars alot easier than Labor
@unionagainstdhmo @Zagorath
That is very insightful. obviously if the greens had more power, they would also end up having to strike more deals to get their bills passed. I understand that some compromise is how party politics works. Very sad that senator Payman had to go.
Still allowed to voice my dissent over issues that bother me. The anti-protest laws suck. In WA the fines are $15,000 for disrupting normal activity. 'Republican' is a confusing word. the anti-protest laws are downright Cromwellian
@unionagainstdhmo
I'm not accusing the Labor party of popular sovereignty.
No, @[email protected] did some analysis a while ago and found that Labor were overrepresented in parliament based on first preferences nationally, ignoring the electoral boundaries. The Greens, One Nation and various independents would have more representation in parliament if we didn't use localities to determine the makeup of parliament
@unionagainstdhmo
I'm not about to vote liberal, but feel disappointed by some Labor decisions. The anti-protest law in particular seem to have bipartisan support despite democratic resistance. Protests over freedom of association were once the backbone of union membership and strength.
That's true.
The Greens proportionally deserve 18.4 seats, but have only 4.
Labor deserves 48.9 seats but has 68.
LNP deserves 53.6, but has 58.
One Nation deserves 7.4, has 0.
It's actually a very easy calculation to do yourself. Literally just 150 × percentage 1st preference votes. Obviously it's not perfect, because if you change the voting system you also change how parties campaign, which changes how the votes turn out. But it's a good rough idea.
But uhh...I'm not really sure how this is relevant to this thread.
Idk I was interpreting their comment as saying that Labor aren't very popular which is true at least in terms of first preferences