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I'm sorry, but HARD disagree. Trump will always win the debates to Trumpers. As a conservative, I unfortunately have to interact with Trumpers. They thought he won because he talked over Biden. Talking points? Doesn't matter. Logic? Doesn't matter. He just has to "shut down" Biden by not letting him speak and talking louder. In their eyes, Harris will get absolutely destroyed
I don't think anyone is really caring about his die-hard cult members. I'm specifically talking about people who are/were undecided somehow. She will make him look weak, idiotic, and just flat shut him down on his bullshitting and lies. He's afraid of her, and showing that on a national stage will remind people what he really is. Guarantee to see a shift in polling if they debate, which he's trying to worm his way out of now because he's afraid of her.