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[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

But what do national polls say?

Edit: spoiler alert: nothing conclusive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This was a national poll...

Did you have a typo or something?

What did you mean by "national poll" I don't think it means what you think it means

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Sigh. What do polls of the whole nation say, you know, rather than just what people who were registered to vote Democratic. What does the country as a whole think? Is she more popular than Biden? Would more people vote for her in swing states? Is she more popular than Trump?

It's not really a strong endorsement of the Democratic deputy president to say that specifically Democrats think she might be OK to replace the president, is it? "People who like Democrats like a famous Democrat" just isn't a strong recommendation. Need more info.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Not only are you looking for this poll, the article even mentions what you're looking for...

Did you not read the article before dismissing it?

They can only fit so much in the headline...

It’s not really a strong endorsement of the Democratic deputy president to say that specifically Democrats think she might be OK to replace the president, is it?

6/10 Dems though Biden would be replaced, remember what Kamala is being compared to.

6/10 thinking shed make a good president is a positive move...

Need more info.

I'd suggest you start with the article, and if you still want more, look at the polls data directly

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I asked what I thought was a really obvious question - about what the rest of the country thinks, because it's the one that matters and you started shouting at me for asking.

If it made you so cross, why not just not answer, or just politely say that there's more info in the article instead of ranting at me.

It’s not really a strong endorsement of the Democratic deputy president to say that specifically Democrats think she might be OK to replace the president, is it?

6/10 Dems though Biden would be replaced, remember what Kamala is being compared to.

6/10 thinking shed make a good president is a positive move…

I see you quoted me more stats about what Democrats think. Thanks for the clarification. /s

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago (1 children)

To be honest I had already copied the part in the article you wanted, then figured you'd just ask for what's in the next paragraph.

It's honestly a lot easier when you read a headline and think "I need more info" to just read the article.

It's all right there in the article, and a professional wrote it.

If that's not enough, well, it's really not hard to interpret poll results directly. I do it all the time, been doing it for years.

It's a good skill if you care about politics, but you'll never learn how to fish if people keep handing you fish when you ask

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Oh wow, you spent a lot of time and effort making fun of my question, disagreeing with my question, answering the question that's answered in the headline, telling me how great your analysis of the stats would be, finding some stats that you thought might answer my question and then instead of pressing paste on what you nearly admitted doesn't quite answer my question, ranting at me yet again for daring to ask it.

I mean, the Democrats are within spitting distance of losing to Trump, which I think is a crisis in most parts of American society and a heck of a lot of countries in the world, but hey, as long as we don't ask questions about whether a different leader would win, everything's fine? Right?

Honestly, I suspect that if they had found out that Harris is more popular than Biden or Trump on a national poll, that's absolutely the headline they would have gone with. 100%. This is a weak ass headline because it's a weak ass result, and I think if there was something unequivocal in there that supported Harris over Biden or Trump nationally, someone would be shouting it, not hiding it in paragraph seven about black voters who often lean Democrat or something.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Honestly, I suspect that if they had found out that Harris is more popular than Biden or Trump on a national poll

Maybe you don't have to suspect and can just read the fucking article. Because you're wrong and are writing paragraphs of text about how you imagine things happen rather than just taking a minute out of your day to get the information you're requesting. Don't demand other people to be your assistant and then get pissy when they call you out for it.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The important question is how popular Harris is in a national poll, and how that compares to Biden and Trump. (Not whether Democrats think she's OK. That's a non-issue. )

You're not answering because (a) you got instantly "pissy" about me asking and (b) there's no answer to my question in the article. There are a lot of half answers and they don't add up to any whole answer. Again, if they had found out something unequivocal or important about Harris's popularity nationally, they'd have put it in the headline, but there isn't anything. You're telling me off for not reading the article, but it feels like you're not reading what I'm saying and missing the point entirely.

I asked the question that the headline didn't answer and that the article didn't answer, and instead of admitting that, you've gone on this long tirade against me for asking a question on an internet forum, which quite honestly is weird behaviour.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm a different person observing your immature response to being called out for not reading the article. The article very much did answer your question. Your assumptions about what would be the headline answer are wrong.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Incorrect. There is no clear, unequivocal answer to the question of how Harris compares to Biden or Trump in national popularity or saying states. Your assumptions about the ability of headline writers to pick out the big news in a story are what's wrong.