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[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

MSDSs are already dogshit

one of those cases of "minimum legally required" type of things? maybe with a dash of "the specification and requirements were written ${time} ago and haven't evolved a lick since then, despite much shift in industry and progress"?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

there are no real enforced requirements of accuracy, most of typical known hazards are covered by generic useless advice and everything else is just filled by "no information"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

ah, vibes-based danger diamonds

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

it's less of this and more of prop65 the size of rationalist footnote

actual pictograms are not vibes based, there are thresholds for toxicity, flash point etc

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

You know, I would expect the at-a-glance symbolic information to be more useful just from sheer accessibility. But I never would have expected them to be more accurate and rigorous than the detailed safety sheets.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

MSDS is a multi-page document that is mostly filled with boilerplate, but you could expect some more detailed precautions and instructions, like for example in case of HF burn apply calcium gluconate cream, use special glass for diazomethane because it can explode in contact with ground glass surface, pay special attention around whatever-class of compounds because these are potent sensitizers, or such. most of the time it's not there, because people that write it never used these compounds, and people that do don't read that and don't need reminder after that detailed advice propagated to them via what is basically folk tales from labmates. it's more useful to have a comprehensive chemical engineering handbook or similar resource (as searchable pdf) that has listed dangers for common dangerous reagents

from that second link upthread:

Experienced chemists know to go to sources like Sax's or Bretherick's for more useful advice, and tend to ignore safety data sheets entirely. But they're not really made for experienced chemists (nor, apparently, by them either). For more general users, you would want these things to do some good, or at least do no harm, but the idea of a safety data sheet that actually makes its readers less safe is really unacceptable.