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People are replying and reporting trauma, you are saying you don't believe them, that its not good enough. Besides the fact its absurd that you think psychology or sociology is even close to solving or understanding nearly any of the topics we are talking about.
When it comes to psychology, self reports are evidence, and you disagreeing with that doesn't change anything.
One person claimed trauma specifically because I said to find me someone who had trauma because of it. No one else made any such claim.
There is simply no evidence that this is a traumatic experience not matter how much you desperately want it to be.
I experienced trauma from my childhood. It wasn't exclusively the pictures but it was a part of it. And my mom says the same bullshit you are saying now.
But I'm sure you'll just be so in tune with your kid, and have perfect adherence to unassailable morals, so they will make it through this abuse just fine. I don't understand why you are so proud of that fact, but here we are.
And I'm sure you'll say I made this all up for the sake of argument, since that's exactly what you told the first person.
Are you actually saying I'm abusing my daughter?
Are you now accusing me of having a child porn collection? That is a very serious accusation. You definitely should contact lemmy.world admin right away. They have my contact information because I've given it to them as a moderator, so they can call the police.
You will do that, right? Because of my child abuse and child porn collection? You're not just all talk, are you?
You can make all the jokes you want, you have no idea if that exact picture of your daughter features prominently in a CP collection somewhere, right this instant.
I'm not making a joke. If I have a child porn collection, it is your duty to contact authorities about it. Otherwise, you are enabling my child abuse.
Will you do so?
Oh I'm sorry I'm supposed to believe you are replying in good faith right now? I'm alright with ending this here if you have nothing more to say about it.
Good faith or not, you made a claim that I am abusing my daughter and have a collection of child porn. Your claims, not mine.
So if you do not contact anyone over it, you are enabling and endorsing child abuse and child porn. Based on your claims. Whether or not my replies are in good faith have no bearing on your belief, if it is sincere, that I possess child pornography.
Either you want to do something to stop someone you know has child pornography or you don't.
You don't.
So I guess you're okay with it.
I promise I won't tell anyone about your child porn collection. Its okay you don't have to worry.
You really should put more than just a cursory thought into your replies you know. Gotchas only work if you can't pause to think about how stupid of a point you are making right now.
I like how you think saying I'm required to do something actually makes me required to do something. I am not the child porn police. I am not responsible for reporting every murmur of child porn, or abuse.
I sincerely believe that the naked picture of your child on your computer/phone/physical image is CP because thats one of its possible uses, and you have no idea it is not being used as porn right now. I also sincerely believe I have no obligation to report absolutely anything about this. Its a fucking discussion over the internet with a stranger, you really think theres even an authority for me to report you to?
I also sincerely believe you are just an idiot, rather than a pedophile, and you just have a very inflated ego and sense of self righteousness. I'm sure you've never been wrong, but if you were it was for a good reason, right?
I see. Then you're fine with child pornography.
So the multiple times you accused me of having a child pornography collections were lies? What a horrible thing to lie about, my teenage daughter having pornographic photos of her as a child. Why would you say that about a teenage girl?
I wonder if you would tell her that to her face and then say, "actually, I just think you are the child of an idiot?"
I never said you dont have a collection of CP. You have more than one picture right?
I mean if she's on here I can tell her right now? Flying Squid's daughter, I sincerely believe your dad to be an idiotic blowhard who thinks his powers of prediction are near limitless.
Now what?
I see, so you think my daughter has an incestuous relationship with me and she is at least half genetically defective.
You would say that to a 14-year-old girl?
And you called me the child abuser?
This is why I accused you of bad faith. Never said any of that. Would be nice if you'd stop building straw men to attack.
Is there a reason I should hide my opinions of her father from her? What abuse am I supposed to be levying here.
You probably shouldn't bring her into a conversation with adults if you don't want her hearing others opinions of you.
You know you and your daughter could both go your whole lives without that picture ever being a problem, and I'd still be against its existence right?
So, what words are you going to put in my mouth next? Seems to be getting harder and harder for you to twist your opinion into fact.
Here I'll put it simply for you: I think the pictures you currently have are immoral to have taken, and immoral to keep now. I think your daughter is the victim of this. I dont know if she will ever be harmed by it, but the fact that she could is enough. I dont think I'm required to report you for having admitted having these pictures. I dont think anyone's required to do anything based on simple comments on an anonymous forum. If you were in my community, and you asked how I felt about this, I would tell you all this to your face and hope that changed your mind, but past that I wouldn't do anything probably more out of distrust of our legal system than anything though. If you think I'm awful for that, I'm okay with that. Maybe we are both awful people. Did I miss anything?
Edit: oh I also think you can have CP and not be a pedophile. Like I said, that just makes you stupid.
You said all of that. You said I had child porn of her, which means we had an incestuous relationship. You said I was stupid. Intelligence is hereditary, so you're telling her that her genes are defective too.
That's what I think you're awful for. Saying that you would tell that to a 14-year-old girl.
If that's what those words mean to you and your daughter, sure but that's not the same as me saying them. Those are all your ideas and I dont endorse a single one of them, nor would I say them to your daughter.
Why do you think you can just change what words I say to be other more offensive words and then attack those?
If you didn't mean my daughter and I had an incestuous relationship when you said I have child porn of her, what did you mean?
If you didn't mean that half of my daughter's genes were defective when you said I was of low intelligence, what did you mean?
Oh lord I should just drop this but here we go:
I think you unintentionally abused your daughter by creating child porn of her.
Without the intent of pedophilia you could just be ignorant, but since you are defending it actively, this makes you stupid.
You are willfully ignorant, which is what I mean when I call people stupid or an idiot.
If you really want to insist that number 1 there equals an incestuous relationship then sure I'll bite the bullet on that one. I just don't think its relevant because neither of you knew it at the time nor intended the situation to be incestuous. It was accidentally incestuous maybe, but that's entirely your fault because you are the adult.
Essentially, you were ignorant then and now your an idiot, but it was wrong the whole time.
Does that make things clear?
No. I don't understand the concept of unintentional pornography. Can you find it used in some context outside of this conversation?
Accidental pornography = material that was not primarily made to be used as porn, and has later become porn.
Like the picture of your daughter that could very well have been used by pedophiles to pleasure themselves, or could be in the future.
Just say you don't care about that possibility and I'll concede, how about that.
Again, can you find this concept used in some context outside of this conversation?
If I masturbate to Michelangelo's David, does that make Michelangelo's David pornographic?
I'm being told I'm not allowed to continue this conversation by someone's mod team, so I guess have a good day sir.
I'm utterly amazed at how far you've dug your heels in on this, well done.
I'm getting major nonce vibes from this thread, to be honest.
I'm utterly amazed at how you have responded to almost every single one of my comments like a crazy person.
You were 75 comments deep arguing with someone about your right to take naked photos of your child, I'm nowhere close to half.
Cool.
When are you going to contact lemmy.world admin to have me reported to the authorities for child abuse and the possession of child pornography?