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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 5 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Every approach has risk associated with it. I'd argue that trying to do what has already failed is far more reckless than learning and adapting.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 2 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

I disagree with the premise that it failed. It advanced the socialist holdings around the world, then fell.

If China falls, it does so without advancing anything.

Surely you can see where my thinking is with this. A more hollistic view of the whole period of transition to socialism will show it as expansion and contraction and expansion and contraction. The USSR expansion and advancement of socialism will have actually achieved something, should it fall China's will not, it will be wasted.

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Fair, USSR has greatly advanced the cause of socialism while it was around. However, I don't see how you can say that China hasn't advanced anything since the days of USSR. For example, the pink tide happening in Latin America is directly facilitated by trade with China.

If China falls, the world will likely regress, but the march towards socialism will not stop. Ultimately, it's the inherent contradictions within the capitalist system itself that lead to its ultimate distraction. In my view, the most important task today is to break apart US led hegemony over the world. Global socialism will not be possible as long as US empire remains dominant. It seems to me that China stands a very good chance of achieving that with its current approach.

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Do you think anything in the pink tide will remain without China? The pink tide is not socialist. Maybe they become more revolutionary without China? But judging by what happened with the ussr I suspect not, it will spark a global recession of socialism.

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[–] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml [S] 3 points 2 years ago

Like I said, if China falls then there would be a regression in socialist movements. However, the way things stand right now, it's the west that's in crisis. Capitalism is becoming discredited at the very core of the empire as we speak. Hence, why I think that China's approach is currently achieving far more than USSR was able to. Nobody knows what will happen in the future, but the current trends are against the empire.