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Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that's it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn't so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 5 months ago (8 children)

The moderators should be ashamed of themselves.

Trump hasn't answered a single question in 20 mins.

"I just wanna go back to that."

They are allowing gish galloping like a motherfucker and Biden has to defend himself from a thousand lies AND answer the question asked while Trump spews bullshit unending.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 4 months ago

Not a single fact check. It's not that hard to state when something is inaccurate and challenge the speaker

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago

Oof, yes, we need opponents for this guy who understand the fundamentals of how he and his rhetoric work. The better way to deal with him is to flip the frame. Specifically, in the opening statement, Biden needed to call out very explicitly that Trump was going to lie constantly, and furthermore, point out that you can recognize his lies when he says "best, strongest, biggest, greatest." That little bit of verbal jiu jitsu would've ensured that it was no longer Biden calling out the lies, but the viewers' own ears, and by bringing them to conscious attention, draining the power of those statements. (Trump spews lies and nonsense that don't parse analytically, like that alphabet-soup closing statement, but he's really aiming his words at the subconscious mind.)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Yes, they should have been fact checking Trump or better holding him to his answers - but to be fair maybe they should have been asking Biden to actually clarify if he's beating Medicare or getting COVID passed.

This was a shit show.

And it was such a shit show that Trump was a complete clown and getting away with it - not just because of the moderators, but because his opponent was as on point as a tree stump.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago

The moderators should be ashamed of themselves.

Why? They accomplished what they were there to do.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I keep tryna tell people Zazlov wants CNN to be right wing

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Is that even a question? Of course he does.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

I’ve been telling people that for 2 years, yet they deny it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

The LWV (League of Woman Voters) sponsored the United States presidential debates in 1976, 1980 and 1984.[75][76] On October 2, 1988, the LWV's 14 trustees voted unanimously to pull out of the debates, and on October 3 they issued a press release condemning the demands of the major candidates' campaigns. LWV President Nancy Neuman said that the debate format would "perpetrate a fraud on the American voter" and that the organization did not intend to "become an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."[77][78] All presidential debates since 1988 have been sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates,[79] a bipartisan organization run by the two major parties that some argue has established rules with the intent to exclude airing candidates associated with other parties.[80]

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

Entertainment above all.

The bigger half US doesn't care about facts.

The only criterion that's needed is TO SPEAK LOUDLY.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

I told y’all joe should not have agreed to debates. Even if everything goes perfectly there is no upside.

Those who argued it would help undecideds or somehow deflate trump - now do you see? Obvious dumpster fire is obvious. Congrats we have to scoop shit for a month now instead of making progress.

Fucking DNC, desperate to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. AGAIN.