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Russian space control center in Crimea struck by Ukrainian ATACMS missiles
(www.telegraph.co.uk)
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This strike is extremely confusing. It's a space radar thats only other use case is as an early-warning radar for ICBMs (that is, in the event of nuclear war).
Why is Ukraine going after Russia's nuclear triad? What the fuck is going on?
I would guess this is likely to get Russia to dedicate more forces to protecting their nuclear capabilities because without that Putin knows he's fucked.
The more anti-missile and anti-air are dedicated to protecting nuclear triad infrastructure, the less is protecting other assets like HQs, supply depos, aircraft and other conventional combat systems.
dedicate more forces to protecting their nuclear capabilities
Are you hearing yourself? The nuclear capability is the protection. There's a reason that during the Cold War nobody was stupid enough to attack someone else's nuclear early warning radar. The entire principle of mutually assured destruction relies on both parties knowing what the other is NOT doing so they know that they don't need to respond.
A preemptive strike is still suicide even if it's done because early detection capabilities are reduced or lost. And a first strike against someone without early detection capabilities still isn't a guaranteed win when the subs are still hidden and the doomsday device is still armed.
The implication being that somebody wants to launch a nuclear strike on Russia.
Attacking a country's nuclear triad is cause for a nuclear retaliatory strike under all non-NFU doctrines. If Russia can't identify whether an incoming object is a nuclear strike, any no first use doctrine goes out the window.
This is pushing us straight towards nuclear war with our eyes closed.
How is that the implication when there are lots of other explanations, one even given above?
If the target costs more than the missile (including the opportunity cost), and/or the target is a high priority for repairs, it makes sense to target it. It doesn't need to be more complicated than that.
I guess the fear of nukes has waned since the end of the Cold War.
Y'all will literally sacrifice the entire world so long as Russia loses.
Or Russia could stop annexing sovereign shit.
Funny to read people carrying Russia's dirty pisswater, pretending to wring their hands in fear about a response to fucking aggression. We aren't happening to Russia, Russia is happening to us.
Like in school when you hit the bully back and get suspended.
"Warum tun menschen einem schlimme Dinge an? Weil man es zulässt."
Sometimes the only decision is dying kneeling or dying standing.
No matter how many times you repeat this Russia isn't going to stop the war. That's been obvious for two years to anyone with a functioning brain. The fact that psycho wasps want to turn this war into a nuclear holocaust is just incredible.
Russia could end it, but won't, so who is courting nuclear war?
The idiots attacking first strike detection infrastructure. Amazing this needs to be spelled out.
It doesn't need to be spelled out. You just keep misspelling it intentionally.
Attacking first strike detection isn't the provocation, it's the response. Amazing this needs to be spelled out, except we all know it doesn't because we all know you understand perfectly well.
So bombing civilians protesting neo-nazi government was a response as well? You can go very far like this
The fact that you genuinely believe this really says all we need to know about your intellectual capacity.
Thank you! Have a good one.
Funny that you should bring that up, because Eastern Ukraine is ethnically and linguistically Russian-dominated, just like Crimea. Self-determination for me but not for thee?
Why does Western Ukraine get to dictate the sovereignty of Eastern Ukraine?
As a Russian speaking Ukrainian from eastern Ukraine, a sincere fuck you is sent your way.
Just because we were raised speaking russian doesn't mean any of this shit is ok.
We had this topic in our country as well as gadafi thought “ehh? In this country, they speak German French and Italian, so logically those parts of switzerland should belong to Italia, Germany, France.”
But german speaking swiss people don’t want to belong to Germany, Italian speaking Swiss people don’t want to belong to Italy and French speaking swiss people don’t want to belong to France.
It makes me sad and mad that there are so many people thinking in simple ways like this and think they are stable geniuses. Like, get yourself some culture, FFS.
And yet your neighbours evidently disagree, given the extent from which the Donbas and Luhansk militias successfully recruited from the population.
An anecdote does not disprove statistics.
You talking about those forcefully recruited after being blackmailed into accepting Russian passport or those who already had it before 2014 and were sent there after? Yes, sure, there are people who genuinely wanted those regions to be part of Russia. As there are Russians fighting on Ukraine’s side. Following your logic Ukraine or other “high moral” party should’ve run “special military operation” to help Russian Freedom Legion to overthrow Putin. Why not mentioning Crimea’s tatars in Russian army? Is it coz they were repressed, their property was taken and they were forcefully moved out of their native lands? Why their ethnicity is not that important? Can’t absorb Russian identity nationalism to the degree they blindly follow their tsar? Or better tell us if Russia is so pro-ethnicity independence then why Russia taking down those Dagestan rebels? Or not giving Siberia’s people independence? “That’s all western propaganda” you’ll say. Don’t bother.
I’m join my neighbor in request to you to fuck ff. Don’t make me mad and keep “your” imperialistic opinion for Russian Empire fan meetup. The only anecdote here is you
Well said, thank you. I decided not to feed the troll any more.
Which invasion mission was "self-determination" code for again?
Our eyes aren't closed. The ruling class wants it. The proles have been taught to want it - just go to any thread discussing Russia or China, you'll see calls to bomb Three Gorges Damb or just a broad "bomb the blyats" (actual quote). Our eyes aren't closed at all
Where are you reading that is a radar for ICBMs? The article just says a Krasukha radar jammer is reported to be there. Reading the Wikipedia article for these systems indicate that they can jam the radar for UAVs and drones. Since Ukraine has been using drones heavily, I can see why they would attack. I’m not saying that it doesn’t work against ballistic missiles but it’s seems like they have a lot of other applications to Russia’s war effort.
Saying that a radar jammer is protecting Russia's nuclear triad is like... Well, obviously? Like, are you stupid, or are you just trying to justify nuclear war?
nuclear early warning system
If you’re going to come at me with a link about Ukraine, please make sure it’s from a website that’s not run by this guy:
Ben Aris: There’s a narrative in the mainstream media about, you know, "Stand with Ukraine and never report the negative stuff, only report the positive stuff." But people I deal with, professional investors in particular, they're interested in what's actually going on because they've got money in the game in the form of investments and assets.
I don’t think the negative stuff shouldn’t be reported but fuck him and his professional investor friends.
BTW: Ben Aris has controlling interest in the company that owns the link you shared and got his start in journalism in Moscow.
Thank you!
PS. if you did the looking up or just know it, just drop it down!
useful info
PS2. i did not confirm if this guy is right but i trust a bro lol
If you're going to discredit a link, please make sure that the statement itself is incorrect. You are being warned.
Kyiv Post also calls it an early warning radar complex: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/34782
"won't someone please think of the poor military targets"
That's why. The jammer is messing with Ukrainian operations and Russia put it there so they could scream "nuclear site!" if Ukraine ever went after it.
Well it's Russian infrastructure on Ukrainian land, who cares what it's for?
So a simple eviction -slash- fireworks show then.
Wheeeee!
Also, according to the genius logic there Ukraine is using cluster munitions to bomb their own civilians since these clowns claim that Crimea is Ukrainian.
Which by all rights it is... annexation not withstanding.
Given that Ukraine has no qualms murdering them, it's no surprise that people actually living in Crimea overwhelmingly voted to join Russia. Funny how westerners only care about self determination when it suits them.
It's literally Russian land. The people voted to leave the fascist puppet state.
literally everyone who is not an imbecile
Well that's not at all concerning...
I used to think nobody was stupid enough to kick off an apocalyptic nuclear war but in the last two years I feel like that belief may have been a bit naive.
I guess they are trying to achieve the possibility of a decisive first strike for USA.
No
Because any country fighting a war on defense against aggressors/invaders knows that the path to winning is to hold strong, wait out the clock, and drain resources from the enemy. Something as essential as that will cause urgency to redirect resources and personnel to replace/repair and then better defend it so that it doesn't just immediately happen again. This makes defense easier because there's less of an offense while that's happening. This also can cause internal loss of support since Russian citizens can see the costs of this going up. They will know people who were sent to die on the front lines. They will see taxes go up and availability of goods go down. Once Russian citizens start to question and criticize the campaign, there could be a snowball effect that ends with Putin and his cronies having to make a choice between stopping the invasion or losing power. I don't think Putin will ever stop, so the real choice will be desperate attacks (which could include nukes, triggering article 5 and effectively ending Russia) or a coup. Putin has checkmated himself whether he is aware of it yet or not. His best case scenario at this point is dying of natural causes in office and leaving that hard decision to his successor who will probably back down and be a pariah for it, saving Russia in the process.
Didn't work. Only the western aggressor is drained, militarily and morally. The war is lost, Russia won.
Is this a tinfoil conspiracy site? Tankie infowars?
Dude, leave your bubble every once in a while
You don't think coming to the conclusion "omg, this must be nuclear war preparations", instead of this just being a regular target, is conspiracy level thinking?
It would fit right into Alex Jones's show. And it's the most upvoted comment here.
Tankie
More generally, a tankie is someone who tends to support "militant opposition to capitalism", and a more modern online variation, which means "something like 'a self-proclaimed communist who indulges in conspiracy theories and whose rhetoric is largely performative.'"How is asking a simple question suddenly make one an Alex Jones Tankie? Yes there is a implication, but I don't see a conspiracy theory here.
Plus Alex Jones target audience aren't tankies. They are racist, Christian white nationalists
Once again, please leave your bubble every once in a while
I can't believe I have to explain this. Anyway
The comparison to Alex Jones and other conspiracy nutjobs was about how they don't care about any facts or context, and just like to string together random headlines into some doomsday narrative that supports their view.
The phrase "tankie infowars" means basically that - same methods, just different target audience. So you would switch around who the good guys and bad guys are, but not much else.