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[–] [email protected] 93 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Whenever essential functions (e.g. access) are powered, they're supposed to have manual overrides. I'm pretty sure this is a regulatory requirement even here in the States where we're stupid and regulatory agencies are mostly captured.

So WTF happened, Tesla? Where's the manual override for when the battery fails?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

It's basic safety for industrial plants to designate powered equipment as "fail open" or "fail closed" or on/off. It's shocking that this wasn't applied to Tesla cars.

We really need an industry that performs industrial grade HAZOPs on consumer products and publishes a report for everyone to see.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That's for if you're inside, a mechanical access has to exist on the outside as well, no?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)

No. You just need to be able to exit without power. Getting back in mechanically isn't a requirement.

It should be, but it's not.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Damn, even fighter jets have an external override. They're even labeled for rescue workers.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

I don't know who Jettison Canopy is but I hope he's around when you need to do this.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

A car window is a lot easier to shatter than a fighter jet canopy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

Not these Teslas, from what I understand. The type of glass they use is EXTREMELY resistant to shattering.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 6 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You can also "jump" the car to open it via a 12V access port in the front.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Yeah, doesn't help much in case of actual emergency does it?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Then break the fucking window if it's an actual emergency.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They did

The child was safely removed from the car after firefighters used an ax to smash through a window

[–] [email protected] -3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I know.

My response was to the previous comment.

In a non Tesla, if someone is locked in a car, what happens? There isn't some secret "let me in" button. You just break a window. This is a dumb story.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

If someone is locked in your car and you're the owner you simply use the key and open the door, no need to break anything, except in a Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Some cars aren't quite that simple, on newer models they're hiding the keyhole on the bottom side of the handle behind a cover. But usually those models won't lock with the keys inside the car

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago

My keyfob battery was dead and I couldn’t use the hidden keyhole to unlock it. I watched a video on YouTube but I still wasn’t able to make it work. It wasn’t an emergency but I would just break the glass if it was one.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

Unless your keys get locked inside too

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago

I mean, presumably if I'm standing outside my car with a key, I just unlock the door and open it. Can't do that with a dead tesla.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago

Yeah, that's much quicker than just unlocking the door with your fucking key, right?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah......because breaking the window as your first option in an emergancy is a GREAT idea. No need for a manual handle with a key, right? What a stupid idea that would be.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not your first option in an emergency. Normally you just open the door. Breaking the glass is several layers of things-not-working deep.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

So breaking the glass as the second step isn't a good option.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Agree. The only worry is the flying glass might hurt the child.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Tempered glass is designed to not be sharp when broken. But they break a window furthest from the person inside to limit damage.

They can also use some tools to remove the window in mostly one piece after cracking it, rather than smashing it and sending glass flying.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago

Tempered glass is still sharp but it breaks into tiny pieces so it can't cut deeply.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I don't disagree there!

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Those are inside the car, doesn't help if there's a toddler stuck in the car.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago

As discussed in the article, even.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

When has it ever been difficult to get out of a car?? Why does this page exist??