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"Emmanuel Macron, the French president, has announced that he is dissolving the national assembly, and calling for legislative elections on June 30 and July 7.

The French president said that he can’t pretend nothing has happened, that the outcome of the EU election is not good for his government and that the rise of nationalists is a danger for France and Europe."

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[–] [email protected] 62 points 4 months ago (10 children)

Why is the right becoming more popular? What changed?

[–] DJDarren 79 points 4 months ago (2 children)

2008, the global financial crash, the subsequent shift of trillions of all the currencies towards the already-rich, then Covid hammering the final nail in the coffin of proving that governments care about the people only inasmuch as they provide value.

We’ve had sixteen years of people getting poorer and poorer, shit getting more expensive, and the news outlets they read pointing towards immigrants/gays/leftists as the problem.

The right take those messages and amplify them. They tell people that only they can speak truth to power, when the reality is far more nuanced than that. But people don’t want nuance, they just want to be able to pay their bills. The people aren’t stupid though, they know that the windbags can’t really change anything, but the status quo hasn’t done shit to help them, so fuck it, we’ll vote for the other guy.

“They’re all the same anyway”

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

2008, the global financial crash, the subsequent shift of trillions of all the currencies towards the already-rich, then Covid hammering the final nail in the coffin of proving that governments care about the people only inasmuch as they provide value.

I get the frustration, but where is the evidence the far right would care an iota more about people? Specially during covid almost every far right government did worse, in terms of actual dead people, than any left one

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

Sometimes people don't vote by logic. They see stuf going to shit, hear grand promises of how "we'll fix everything, the establishment is incompetent/evil", and hope they'll deliver.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

That's not the criteria, the criteria is whoever is the loudest in criticizing the status quo. And the far right is the loudest

The far right would make everyone poorer but wouldn't change the class structure, so they are allowed to exist while the left gets suppressed. See for example how many of the titans of industry in west germany who supported the Nazis got off scot free (or with much commuted sentences) and got to keep their assets. The system works :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

@DJDarren @Bye do you think we're close to another financial crisis?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I’d say we are right on top of one

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

@andrewta so I'd say it's deflating, right?

Central Bank rates are reducing in EU. In USA not yet or maybe growing. China is still in the crisis with signals of recovery more and more delayed

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

No. In the US at least, wages are up for blue collar work, and that’s where the economy was most vulnerable. Inflation has been bad but it’s coming back under control and wages can outpace it in the next couple years, median wage growth already has (yes I have a hard time believing this too, but that’s the numbers).

The last financial crisis had a flagrant cause in default-prone loans. There isn’t such a problem right now.

The largest crisis we are running into is a crisis of propaganda, where people are being told “everything is terrible” when in fact the numbers show that everything is pretty great… except for white collar tech workers (me!).

I think the tech market will rebound the second that the fed lowers rates again, because tech is fundamentally capital intensive and speculative. So you need cheap money to fuel tech. Video games deflated/corrected a bit but that’s fine, those people can work on other things.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Ridiculous assessment.

Everyone is being told its all fine, but the insane CPI massaging has gotten beyond out of hand. There are very little gains for the proletariat masses RN, mostly losses.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

This is more of a general answer as fascism seems to be gaining more ground globally. A book published in 1997 "The Fourth Turning: An American Prophecy" theorized roughly every 80 years (or about a human life span) we face a crisis related to a critical mass of people losing the knowledge and shared values from the previous generations. Imagine the perspective of a Revolutionary War veteran who fought under General Washington to help forge the United States, who would be understandably upset to hear any mention of a Civil War between states, which didn't start until 82 years later.

We are losing that collective memory now both in the U.S. and abroad; the remaining World War II veterans are in no position to punch these fascists when they see a swastika flown at a rally. Unless we vote in numbers large enough to throw the MAGA movement into the dustbin of history, in the future we can expect younger Trump acolytes to take root in the same vacuum of thought.

From a recent article

”With these words Biden addressed the bitter irony that haunted the commemoration ceremonies. While D-Day occurred eight decades ago, America is now just five months from an election that could bring to power a man and a movement who embody and celebrate the twisted authoritarian values of the enemies we sought to defeat so long ago. Fascism has not gone away. The tactics of the Nazis to employ racism and demagoguery to divide society and enable their seizure of power and their gutting of democratic institutions currently are the playbook of Donald Trump and the MAGA movement.”

[–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago

All the major media outlets have been bought by a few far-right billionaires. For some years now, propaganda has been omnipresent, 24 hours a day.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Social media disinformation campaigns from the Kremlin and possibly also the CCP.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Powerful American people/groups spreading disinformation or funding political extremism is very different from the government doing it.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Money is power. Just because that shower have the sense to sit outside of the spotlight of political scrutiny does not mean that they are apolitical nor does it make the influence they cast not strongly American in flavour.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

There's too many factors to name in a brief comment, but here's an interesting statistic:

In all recent European elections, all center-left parties that have tried to swing to the right on immigration to try and woo right-wing voters, have lost seats. No exceptions.

Edit: Clarified the swing on immigration was to the right.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Is this because they waited too long, or because the answer is something other than anti-immigrant sentiment?

For example, there’s this statistic that almost everyone dies shortly after having CPR performed on them. Paradoxically, that doesn’t mean CPR is bad: it absolutely saves lives. It’s just that they do it too late on a lot of people (and also perform it on a bunch of people who are going to die no matter what but that’s not the point of this anecdote).

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Great analogy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Could cost them their base without attracting new voters too.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Everything is in motion, nothing is static. As Capitalism declines and the material conditions of Europe decline, reactionary elements longing for "the good old days" rise. It's generally what happens when Social Democracy turns Nationalist, and is deeply terrifying.

This can be opposed only through strong antifascist organization, not just sitting home and hoping things get better. They won't, with that attitude.

Edit: to add, the reason Social Democracy specifically was mentioned is because both Social Democracy and Fascism are based on the idea of Class Colaboration, only the aims and results are obviously very different. Adding the Nationalist element to an existing Social Democracy can quickly end up changing to outright fascism.

Immigration policies in particular have been a hot topic in Europe, so Nationalism has been rising with anti-immigrant rhetoric.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

easy emotional messaging × a lot of funding from rich assholes of all types × great means of communication that can target audiences even in isolation.

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[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago

The left is fucking the dog, is what.