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This is an acceptable position. "Even if you think murder is good in a specific case - don't. Too many past murderers also tried to justify their acts. We humans are too good at self serving rationalization to be trusted with such things"
The problem with this, is that you can't drag that solution to the voting issue. It works for the trolley problem because it relies on the fact that murder is a big taboo. Voting isn't a big taboo - you don't have a long history of "voting is bad" consensus. That idea is new, and has to stand on its own merits.
and no one is saying voting is bad. but voting for bad people definitely is bad.
Not voting is giving half a vote to the worse candidate.
you can't give half a vote.
Let's say Alice has a lead of one vote over Bob.
Two non-voters are equivalent to one voter switching sides. Therefore - one non-vote is equivalent to half a vote for the opponent.
you still haven't shown how to give half a vote
I showed how not voting counts as half a vote.
but it doesn't. it isn't counted at all. this is mental gymnastics that leads to actual election misinformation. stop.
Puns are not valid arguments. If broke into a ballot box (for the same of the argument, let's ignore all the security measures) and took out all the votes for the candidate I didn't like, these votes will literally won't be counted. Does that mean my action doesn't count?
it's not a pun. there is no pun at all. you're lying about how votes are counted.
The pun is about the double meaning of the word "count":
So what am I lying about exactly? I've presented an hypothetical case, and made two claims about it:
Which of these claim is incorrect?
I thought we were talking about counting votes the whole time. I'm not interested in helping you with your mental gymnastics routine.
We are, sort of, but counting votes is not just a fun pastime activity - it's a mean for determining who will take the power (or, in depending on the political system, how the power will be distributed) so my argument is that there is a meaning to the result of that count.