Emmie comments on The Google AI isn’t hallucinating about glue in pizza, it’s just over indexing an 11 year old Reddit post by a dude named fucksmith.

The Google AI isn’t hallucinating about glue in pizza, it’s just over indexing an 11 year old Reddit post by a dude named fucksmith. (lemmy.dbzer0.com)

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I see Google's deal with Reddit is going just great...

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (15 children)

Is this a dig at gen alpha/z?

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (13 children)

I guess it would have to be be default, since only older millennials and up can remember a time before internet.

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[–] skillissuer@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

not everyone is a westerner you know

my village didn't get any kind of internet, even dialup until like 2009, i remember pre-internet and i still don't have mortgage

e: now that i'm thinking ADSL was a thing for maybe a year or two, but it was expensive and never really caught on. the first real internet experience™ was delivered by a sketchy point to point radiolink that dropped every time it rained. much later it was all replaced by FTTH paid for by EU money

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

heh yeah

I had a pretty weird arc. I got to experience internet really early (‘93~94), and it took until ‘99+ for me to have my first “regular” access (was 56k on airtime-equiv landline). it took until ‘06 before I finally had a reliable recurrent connection

I remember seeing mentions (and downloads for) eggdrops years before I had any idea of what they were for/could do

(and here I am building ISPs and shit….)

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (10 children)

Lies. Internet at first was just some mystical place accessed by expensive service. So even if it already existed it wasn’t full of twitter fake news etc as we know it. At most you had a peer to peer chat service and some weird class forum made by that one class nerd up until like 2006

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[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 10 points 2 years ago (8 children)

never been to the usenet, i see.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago* (7 children)

I wasn’t a nerd back then frankly. I mean it wasn’t good look for surviving the school. The only one was bullied like fuck

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[–] mawhrin@awful.systems 6 points 2 years ago (6 children)

ah. well, my commiserations, the us seems to thrive on pitting people against each other.

anyways, my point is that usenet had every type of crank you can see these days on twitter. this is not new.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

Well probably but what’s the point if some extremely small minority used it?

The point with iPad kids is that it is so common. The kids played outside and stuff well into 2000s.

Still I guess iPads are better than dxm tabs but as the old wisdom says: why not both?

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[–] counteractor@pawoo.net 1 point 2 years ago (4 children)

@Emmie “it wasn’t full of twitter fake news etc as we know it”

Maybe you should say what your point is.

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

I thought I did, the fuck ya want from me

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 2 points 2 years ago

"this only matters now because I only became aware of it today" is not, y'know, a very compelling argument

for, well, anything

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[–] counteractor@pawoo.net 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

@Emmie You thought wrong

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[–] Emmie@lemm.ee -1 points 2 years ago*

I don’t even remember what it was about now tbh, must not been super important

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[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 4 points 2 years ago

reading your post gave me multiple kinds of whiplash

are you, like, aware of the fact that there can be different ways experiences? for other people? that didn’t match whatever you went through?

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[–] nednobbins@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago

Haha. Not specifically.

It's more a comment on how hard it is to separate truth from fiction. Adding glue to pizza is obviously dumb to any normal human. Sometimes the obviously dumb answer is actually the correct one though. Semmelweis's contemporaries lambasted him for his stupid and obviously nonsensical claims about doctors contaminating pregnant women with "cadaveric particles" after performing autopsies.

Those were experts in the field and they were unable to guess the correctness of the claim. Why would we expect normal people or AIs to do better?

There may be a time when we can reasonably have such an expectation. I don't think it will happen before we can give AIs training that's as good as, or better, than what we give the most educated humans. Reading all of Reddit, doesn't even come close to that.

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