▲ 584 ▼ Jerry Seinfeld’s Teen Girlfriend Saga Resurfaces After Duke Walkout (www.thedailybeast.com) submitted 2 years ago by return2ozma@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 219 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 76 points 2 years ago (4 children) Boomers have a much higher tolerance of SA and grooming. Look at how it's just accepted that Rock Stars could have underaged... pursuits. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (48 children) I know this won't be popular, but it's for a few reasons: It wasn't and isn't illegal. Most people would look at her and see a hot woman and understand it. This whole puritanical BS that if you are over 18 and find someone under 18 attractive, that makes you a pedophile, is a modern a theme. Back then people were free to admit that they found young women attractive without being labelled by so many to have a mental disorder. I speak strongly about this because I think we are doing great damage to mental health to repeatedly claim it's a mental disorder to have a completely normal and common biological attraction. But don't get me wrong, I 100% support protecting minors from predators. I agree these laws should exist, I just wish people would stop pretending that there is something wrong with the attraction itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don't really have an issue with a 16 year old dating an 18 year old. They're close enough that the age thing wouldn't be an issue, but 17 and 38 is a bit different. I also don't really have an issue with adults being attracted to... people below the legal limit so long as they don't act on it. It's very difficult to have this discussion when most people can't grasp that desires don't always lead to actions and have problems separating fiction from reality. There are people with rape fetishes that find healthy, consensual ways to simulate the act, something that the mainstream can't really cope with. But that's not really the discussion we're having. Jerry Seinfeld had a teenaged girlfriend when he was 38. Celebrities using their positions of power isn't acceptable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago Romeo and Juliet laws show we absolutely have some tolerance for adults dating teenagers. And nobody I know is saying a 17 year old can't be sexually attractive. The problem is they essentially unarmed against the average 30 year old. And I'd much rather draw a line somewhere than the actual puritanical practice of marrying teenagers to a 40 year old man who happens to have the most money available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. Picking the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Imagine responding to an actual thought out, reasoned argument with some braindead thought terminating snark. Saves the effort of trying to actually engage in conversation or uncomfortable thoughts I guess but that's about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Still picking the bear. Your reply, and all the other salty misogynist replies are exactly why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ok, have fun I guess? Congratulations? Not sure what response you expect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) To me, it's a distraction. I think it's legal in just about every state for someone to marry a child under the age of 15 with the approval of their parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It's not. Child marriage is illegal, even with parental consent, in 12 states. Proud Jersey boy here. If you don't live in a blue state that isn't one of the 12, start shaming your politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gamoc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The issue seems to be that he was dating and fucking them. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (43 replies) [–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Yup. I can't listen to classic rock because it's near impossible to find a band or artist who wasn't fucking people under 16. permalink fedilink source parent [–] frickineh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They really do. My own father married a 17 year old when he was 26 (years before he met my mom), and I spent a long time trying to justify it to myself with the fact that a lot of people did that kind of thing in the 70s. It wasn't until I was an adult that I was finally able to process my feelings about him as a human separate from my feelings about him as a father and just admit that was disgusting. He actually said her parents should've had him thrown in jail, but she was already a huge asshole (and still is) and they probably saw an opportunity to pawn her off on someone else. I'm not surprised she was a nightmare with everyone around her totally failing her, though. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Hell, they wrote songs about it. "Jailbait" by Ted Nugent, "Seventeen" by Winger... I'm sure there are more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Chuck Berry: hold my guitar. Jerry Lee Lewis: hang onto this piano for me. The list is as long as musicians are famous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago Aerosmith: gestures vaguely at discography permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean the Ted Nugent that had a 13yr old girl living in his house while writing jailbait? Bro he's a pedophile, pointing to a pedophile and going look there it's normal is fucking crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm not saying it's normal. I'm saying it was normalized in the past, and thankfully that attitude is changing now and we can see how gross it always was. Yes, Nugent is a fucking pedophile. He absolutely isn't alone in the world of rock in that, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] EatATaco@lemm.ee 32 points 2 years ago (48 children) I know this won't be popular, but it's for a few reasons: It wasn't and isn't illegal. Most people would look at her and see a hot woman and understand it. This whole puritanical BS that if you are over 18 and find someone under 18 attractive, that makes you a pedophile, is a modern a theme. Back then people were free to admit that they found young women attractive without being labelled by so many to have a mental disorder. I speak strongly about this because I think we are doing great damage to mental health to repeatedly claim it's a mental disorder to have a completely normal and common biological attraction. But don't get me wrong, I 100% support protecting minors from predators. I agree these laws should exist, I just wish people would stop pretending that there is something wrong with the attraction itself. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 53 child comments replies: [–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don't really have an issue with a 16 year old dating an 18 year old. They're close enough that the age thing wouldn't be an issue, but 17 and 38 is a bit different. I also don't really have an issue with adults being attracted to... people below the legal limit so long as they don't act on it. It's very difficult to have this discussion when most people can't grasp that desires don't always lead to actions and have problems separating fiction from reality. There are people with rape fetishes that find healthy, consensual ways to simulate the act, something that the mainstream can't really cope with. But that's not really the discussion we're having. Jerry Seinfeld had a teenaged girlfriend when he was 38. Celebrities using their positions of power isn't acceptable. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago Romeo and Juliet laws show we absolutely have some tolerance for adults dating teenagers. And nobody I know is saying a 17 year old can't be sexually attractive. The problem is they essentially unarmed against the average 30 year old. And I'd much rather draw a line somewhere than the actual puritanical practice of marrying teenagers to a 40 year old man who happens to have the most money available. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. Picking the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Imagine responding to an actual thought out, reasoned argument with some braindead thought terminating snark. Saves the effort of trying to actually engage in conversation or uncomfortable thoughts I guess but that's about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Still picking the bear. Your reply, and all the other salty misogynist replies are exactly why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ok, have fun I guess? Congratulations? Not sure what response you expect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies) [–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) To me, it's a distraction. I think it's legal in just about every state for someone to marry a child under the age of 15 with the approval of their parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It's not. Child marriage is illegal, even with parental consent, in 12 states. Proud Jersey boy here. If you don't live in a blue state that isn't one of the 12, start shaming your politicians. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Gamoc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The issue seems to be that he was dating and fucking them. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (43 replies)
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I don't really have an issue with a 16 year old dating an 18 year old. They're close enough that the age thing wouldn't be an issue, but 17 and 38 is a bit different. I also don't really have an issue with adults being attracted to... people below the legal limit so long as they don't act on it. It's very difficult to have this discussion when most people can't grasp that desires don't always lead to actions and have problems separating fiction from reality. There are people with rape fetishes that find healthy, consensual ways to simulate the act, something that the mainstream can't really cope with. But that's not really the discussion we're having. Jerry Seinfeld had a teenaged girlfriend when he was 38. Celebrities using their positions of power isn't acceptable. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago Romeo and Juliet laws show we absolutely have some tolerance for adults dating teenagers. And nobody I know is saying a 17 year old can't be sexually attractive. The problem is they essentially unarmed against the average 30 year old. And I'd much rather draw a line somewhere than the actual puritanical practice of marrying teenagers to a 40 year old man who happens to have the most money available. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yep. Picking the bear. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Imagine responding to an actual thought out, reasoned argument with some braindead thought terminating snark. Saves the effort of trying to actually engage in conversation or uncomfortable thoughts I guess but that's about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Still picking the bear. Your reply, and all the other salty misogynist replies are exactly why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ok, have fun I guess? Congratulations? Not sure what response you expect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] nomous@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child) Imagine responding to an actual thought out, reasoned argument with some braindead thought terminating snark. Saves the effort of trying to actually engage in conversation or uncomfortable thoughts I guess but that's about it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Still picking the bear. Your reply, and all the other salty misogynist replies are exactly why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ok, have fun I guess? Congratulations? Not sure what response you expect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] CatTrickery@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Still picking the bear. Your reply, and all the other salty misogynist replies are exactly why. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] nomous@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ok, have fun I guess? Congratulations? Not sure what response you expect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] nomous@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children) Ok, have fun I guess? Congratulations? Not sure what response you expect. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments load more comments (3 replies)
[–] tastysnacks@programming.dev 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) To me, it's a distraction. I think it's legal in just about every state for someone to marry a child under the age of 15 with the approval of their parents. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It's not. Child marriage is illegal, even with parental consent, in 12 states. Proud Jersey boy here. If you don't live in a blue state that isn't one of the 12, start shaming your politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) It's not. Child marriage is illegal, even with parental consent, in 12 states. Proud Jersey boy here. If you don't live in a blue state that isn't one of the 12, start shaming your politicians. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Gamoc@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago The issue seems to be that he was dating and fucking them. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] VaultBoyNewVegas@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago Yup. I can't listen to classic rock because it's near impossible to find a band or artist who wasn't fucking people under 16. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] frickineh@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago They really do. My own father married a 17 year old when he was 26 (years before he met my mom), and I spent a long time trying to justify it to myself with the fact that a lot of people did that kind of thing in the 70s. It wasn't until I was an adult that I was finally able to process my feelings about him as a human separate from my feelings about him as a father and just admit that was disgusting. He actually said her parents should've had him thrown in jail, but she was already a huge asshole (and still is) and they probably saw an opportunity to pawn her off on someone else. I'm not surprised she was a nightmare with everyone around her totally failing her, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 2 years ago (2 children) Hell, they wrote songs about it. "Jailbait" by Ted Nugent, "Seventeen" by Winger... I'm sure there are more. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Chuck Berry: hold my guitar. Jerry Lee Lewis: hang onto this piano for me. The list is as long as musicians are famous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago Aerosmith: gestures vaguely at discography permalink fedilink source parent [–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean the Ted Nugent that had a 13yr old girl living in his house while writing jailbait? Bro he's a pedophile, pointing to a pedophile and going look there it's normal is fucking crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm not saying it's normal. I'm saying it was normalized in the past, and thankfully that attitude is changing now and we can see how gross it always was. Yes, Nugent is a fucking pedophile. He absolutely isn't alone in the world of rock in that, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thatsnothowyoudoit@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) Chuck Berry: hold my guitar. Jerry Lee Lewis: hang onto this piano for me. The list is as long as musicians are famous. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago Aerosmith: gestures vaguely at discography permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zorsith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 points 2 years ago Aerosmith: gestures vaguely at discography permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Madison420@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) You mean the Ted Nugent that had a 13yr old girl living in his house while writing jailbait? Bro he's a pedophile, pointing to a pedophile and going look there it's normal is fucking crazy. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm not saying it's normal. I'm saying it was normalized in the past, and thankfully that attitude is changing now and we can see how gross it always was. Yes, Nugent is a fucking pedophile. He absolutely isn't alone in the world of rock in that, though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ImADifferentBird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) I'm not saying it's normal. I'm saying it was normalized in the past, and thankfully that attitude is changing now and we can see how gross it always was. Yes, Nugent is a fucking pedophile. He absolutely isn't alone in the world of rock in that, though. permalink fedilink source parent