https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/1790015282490101762
Israelis hijacking and blocking aides to Gaza
Houthis blocking shipment of my treats
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See this is why I fundamentally believe they can't be rehabilitated; none of these people are redeemable and the whole nation is like that
I'm the first person to shit on Israelis, but I have met ppl who have fled conscription. I know they're a rarity, but they do exist.
Gotta respect that one Twitter Swiftie who went to jail over their refusal to serve
Statistically speaking tho, I'm right.
I dunno...the company I work for has a Tel Aviv office and there's an Israeli on my team. We are always talking about this shit, how disgusting it is, how he got a black eye at the last protest for daring to call Muslims people, etc etc.
There is a large amount of fascists in Israel - it is a European colonial state after all - but painting everyone with the same brush is not it, especially people that were born there and are trying to make it better for everyone. Like any large group, they are not homogenous and portraying any group as homogenously evil is dangerous to the extreme.
I'd suggest reading some of the "New Historians" to get a sense of the wide range of people that live in the colony known as Israel. Ilan Pappe is a good place to start imo.
(Edit: spelling)
98% of Israelis believe netanyahu is using appropriate or not enough force on the gazans right now. I get that there are unicorns, but let's not pretend this issue is a divider in Isntrael.
The Isntraelis are protesting netanyahu for a bunch of dumb shit, and unsurprisingly genocide isn't one of them.
Can I get a source for that number? The amount of Israeli propaganda when you try to search it is insane (jfc NPR) so can't find anything concrete.
Source:
https://time.com/6333781/israel-hamas-poll-palestine/
Well goddamn! That's insane! Thanks for the source.
However, I'd still argue collective punishment of the (up to) 6% is still wrong. And the idea that they 94% are somehow too far gone to be changed is defeatist in the extreme!
I'd also argue that no one is inherently fascist or unsavable. Brain washing can be broken. Calling for the deaths of roughly 9m people (as some of the others in this chain have done) is inherently wrong and plays into the reactionists hands ("they'd do it to us if they could so we need to do it to them").
EDIT: On top of that, I want to highlight the date: November 10, 2023. The poll was conducted a month after Oct 7th. I would be interested to see what the polls say now.
No disrespect but what the actual fuck are you talking about?
Where did I ever say I support collective punishment? I just said that you can't talk to people that far gone.
That was you.
Which led to someone else replying:
The second comment was a joke, and even then I didn't call for any violence.
Also how tf do you hear someone say a group of people are irredeemable and your first thought is that they're calling for violence? I think Trump supporters are irredeemable too; lots of people are irredeemable that doesn't mean violence is ok.
The call is coming from inside the house with this; if YOU think that violence is justified when a group of people are "irredeemable" that's your fucked up problem.
Statistically speaking there probably isn't a nicer country if you were going to do a Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
There are definitely nicer countries. You're telling me Ireland and Isntrael are the same?
Nobody can be rehabilitated when it comes to ideology. We need to be "egg snatchers" and indoctrinate their children.
No you can change people's ideology. Most people on this site had to learn about Marxism-Leninism, they weren't born with that knowledge.
I think it comes from within.
I don't find it an issue. Once Palestine is established and Israel is demolished most of these settlers are going to fuck right off back to the West where they came from. It's a self solving problem for the most part.
I don't think that's what happened to South Africa
Many stayed, I think the richest will leave. But the common person? Those people will stay no doubt.