upsidedownside77

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[โ€“] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (42 children)

I think a lot of people overemphasize the importance of converting a MAGA enthusiast into an ally. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for accepting people who recognize the error of their ways. But there's realistically not much return to be had there. The important conversions are:

- Low-information Trump voters/casual supporters -> Anti-Trump

It's estimated that around 25% of people who voted for Trump in 2024 fall into this category. People who voted for Trump but don't consider themselves MAGA. These are the "price of eggs" voters. Maybe some gen z bros who wanted their crypto to go up and got convinced by right coded pod casters that Trump wasn't a monster. We want to convert them into voters that vote against MAGA or stay home.

- Anti-Trump observers -> Anti-Trump activists

All movements have people who are ideologically aligned but do not actively participate. It's no small thing for someone to decide that they want or need to take an active role.

- People who didn't vote -> Anti-trump voters

In a recent poll, 89% of people who didn't vote said they disapproved of Trump's job performance. The way to overcome their apathy and get them out to vote is to support candidates with progressive agendas that they feel will have a material impact on improving their lives. The "hey, at least we're better than those assholes" strategy might win Dems some races in the short term but long term success means actually bringing about positive economic change. This also means tapping into anti-establishment feelings that run deep within society.

All the arguments in the OP are true and are worth stating. They will help people with lower exposure to politics see the forest for the trees. However no one drinking the MAGA kool-aid is gonna say "Yeah this lib who is talking down to me, they're right and everything I believe is wrong".

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

Europe is done with him. BYD is kicking his ass in China. Canada has had enough. Libs in the US hate his guts and conservatives think EVs are lame af.

Tesla stock is still currently about 90% overvalued, when comparing it to other car companies with similar revenues. All based on Elon hype bullshit. He's a fraud and TSLA is a meme stock waiting to crumble.

I'll be hitting up a Tesla Takedown protest this sat and some more down the line. This fucker can be beaten.