The definition of veganism, from the Vegan Society:

Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of animals, humans and the environment.

Please note the italics.

Living without modern medicine fits squarely within "not possible or practicable" because you can literally die without it. If you refuse vaccines or treatment for contagious diseases, it's even more compelling, because you're not only risking your life but the lives of others.

On the other hand, it is completely possible and practicable to live without lab-grown meat, so "were animals exploited to create this product" is a much more relevant consideration.

but I've got some hangups about our ability to make objective decisions about what is "in something/one's best interests."

Yeah, me too :/ It's like every human (or animal) right - it has to be enforced by people, and people are pretty shitty. I don't think that means we reject the principle, it means we put guardrails around it to try and prevent errors and abuses.

And I certainly agree: lab grown meat is far less heinous and morally offensive than factory farming. It involves a moral compromise for vegans, but, well, so does almost everything else. We can recognize both aspects.

I have another tip!

Michael Pollan has a dictum for health: eat "real food". And by "real food" he means food containing only ingredients your great-grandmother would recognize.

(Or someone else's great-grandmother in some other region/culture, if you're eating food from somewhere else. Food you'd see on a farm or in a market before the rise of industrial food processing, is the point.)

A way to do that in a modern supermarket is "shop the edges" - do most of your shopping in the produce section, the bakery, for non-vegans the meat and deli sections, the fresh unprocessed food sections that are located on the edges of the building in a typical American grocery. Then duck into the middle of the store for staples like rice and beans and oil and stay far away from the frozen food section.

And when you do that - when you avoid pre-processed food, buy fresh ingredients, and make your own food - it's easier to eat vegan because you control every ingredient that goes into your food. Your food will not have mysterious chemicals that may or may not be animal derived. Your food will just be food.

And not only will you be eating more ethically, you'll end up a lot healthier.

Vegan meat substitutes are still fairly healthy compared to actual meat.

I agree, although that's more a function of how unhealthy meat is than how healthy meat substitutes are.

And I think there's a significant difference between traditional meat substitutes, like tofu and wheat gluten, and modern meat substitutes like impossible burgers, with high levels of sodium and saturated fat and chemical binders and industrial processing and so on.

I think of it this way: in what situations can we act on a human's body without that human's informed consent?

And one of those times is when an action needs to be taken for that human's own good, and the human is unable to comprehend the situation enough to give informed consent. When a young child or an unconscious person needs medical treatment, for instance.

I think tracking or relocating wildlife would fall under that category. Does a bear understand why it's not safe for it to break into people's cars and eat their McDonald's wrappers? No. Does the bear want to leave its territory and be shipped somewhere without cars full of delicious McDonald's wrappers? Certainly not. But we can't convince the bear to leave those delicious McDonald's wrappers alone, so instead we relocate the bear, to protect both it and us.

On the other hand, harvesting a human's cells for medical experiments? Does require informed consent, even if, as the history of Henrietta Lacks painfully shows, that requirement has often been ignored.

And harvesting cells to clone for food falls more on the medical experiments side of things than the "for their own good" side.

Congratulations!

My two best tips are:

If you remove non-vegan ingredients from non-vegan recipes without adding anything else, or substitute vegan meat/cheese/dairy for the real thing, you'll always think something's off because it's never going to be exactly the same. And meat substitutes that are highly processed to try and match the texture and flavor of meat are as bad for you as highly processed anything else.

So my recommendation is: practice cooking recipes that are naturally vegan. There are a lot of vegan dishes in Indian and Chinese cuisine, for instance. There are old recipes from before factory farming when meat was for special occasions instead of every day.

Pizza is flatbread with sauce and toppings, and there are a ton of naturally vegan flatbread recipes. Experiment. Go wild. I'm not telling you not to try vegan cheese, but also try pizza dough with (eg) pesto, shallots, and four different kinds of mushrooms, and see how that goes 🍕 🍕

My second tip is: forgive yourself if you slip.

Food is an addiction. And I mean this quite literally. Fat is psychologically addictive, sugar is psychologically addictive, meat is psychologically addictive. Millions of people in the West don't feel a meal is complete without a meat dish - by which I mean they literally don't feel full unless they know they ate meat. I was one of them. It took months before I could finish a vegan meal and not still feel hungry after.

Doing the right thing is hard when the world wants you to do the wrong thing and your body agrees with it.

So if you have cravings you can't beat and go buy a pizza - forgive yourself and promise yourself to do better tomorrow.

Joke's on them, I already talked like that 😆

Nature is amazing!

that will pivot farmers from meat production, and animal feed production to produce. we will need much less land to cultivate, so rewild them. IE, just abandon them and let nature reclaim it.

I would argue, for the US, we should not rewild, but rematriate. Return the land to the tribes we stole it from and let them decide what to do next.

After all, Native Americans were the keystone species in every biome in North America for tens of thousands of years. Restoring the pre-Colombian ecology requires humans to occupy and manage the land. The myth of human-free American wilderness is settler colonial bullshit.

Like, we essentially can't do anything with animals with that...

Yes. That's the point. Animals are sapient beings with rights, not objects to "do things with".

That being said, I recognize how far out of the Overton Window that attitude is.

Positive thought: if cultured meat goes mainstream, I expect there will be demand for "ethically sourced" cell lines - or some ad campaign will use it as a selling point - and shift the idea of not exploiting animals just a tiny bit closer to the mainstream :)

Selective enforcement is the core of conservative law making.