sp3ctr4l

I mean... I have had a cat, and played with it in the manner I described till he got too old for that sort of thing.

It did not to me seem at all that I was putting in 900x the effort, either in physical energy terms, or mental effort / discipline and dedication terms, or both those combined.

Maybe... a roughly equivalent amount of combined mental and physical energy?

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And yes, my cat would also wait hidden for periods of time... its part of their hunting strategy. Just pretend you aren't there, and then when a sense of safety has come about... strike swiftly with the element of surprise.

Cats... are generally solo, stealthy predators, after all. A ... stealth, glass cannon, low durability berserker build, to try to mangle it into video game terms. Capable of intense bursts of extreme athleticism, but also requiring significant down time to recharge.

Sort of the opposite of the human hunting strategy of using pure raw stamina to chase down prey over long periods of time, in group coordination with other humans, and then basically just finish off an animal as it is basically having a heart attack from redlining itself for too long.

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To me, I made it into a game: learn my kitty's strategy, bait it and goad it accordingly... leaving some grace for him to enjoy actually catching and monching on it, but also challenging him with new patterns and movements, introduced gradually.

If kitty is either utterly uninterested... or just waiting for you to rope-a-dope yourself into exhaustion, and then he grabs it when you are tired... congratulations, you have been tactically outsmarted by a cat lol.

The cat has managed its stamina levels and recharge rates better than you have managed your own.

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I just set aside a few 30 minute blocks each day, or at least most days, to just set up some music, and do nothing other than play with kitty.

Like how a dog owner might set up an hour or so every couple of days to take a dog on a walk.

... Fucking obviously duh, yes, if abled bodied people generally got around via actually safe, seperated bike lanes, or busses, or light rail, or trolleys, or trains, then of course this would generally reduce traffic and generally improve other transit options within an urban area.

But the inciting incident of this whole discussion is:

People should just bicycle tens or hundreds of miles to get to national parks far away from urban areas.

This is still an absurd suggestion, even generally, for most people of average health/fitness/ability.

Ebikes are still not even a sensible solution to this in a practical, affordability sense: Entry level motorcycles have greater ranges, speeds, more comfortable rides at the same price point as an Ebike that has roughly half the range and speed.

Nobody even legally can drive an Ebike on a highway with a minimum speed limit of 50 mph.

Please learn how to read the entire context of a discussion before jumping into it.

America follows Seinfeld rules:

No hugging.

No learning.

... Larry David is even writing poignant political satire pieces just right in the New York Times now!

There was an episode of Comedians in Cars like a decade ago now, Jerry just muses something like... God, is NYC just gonna be nothing but corporate coffee shops and banks?

Yes. Yep. That is what happened.

Yes! Of course!

In my ideal world, there would be general, semi-individualized, semi on demand, or at least 'request a ride in advance', electric or hydrogen or hybrid (or perhaps even locally sourced bio diesel powered, if electric or hydrogen is too cost prohibitive) mini busses or vans that would help people with mobility difficulties get to and from daily tasks within a city or multi city region.

This would be like ambulances, like fire trucks, like ... other busses.

Some important services just cannot be practically un-car-ified, and still function at all effectively.

This is why most busses in Seattle, and much of the US broadly, have deployable disability ramps and internal wheelchair attachment point zones, so that wheelchair bound folks can get around.

It would probably be more generally time effiecient to have just a seperate fleet dedicated to them/us in particular, given that a single wheel chair pickup/deboard for a city bus can throw off its entire planned timetable by a good amount, in high density, high traffic, peak ridership hours.

... but thats getting a bit into the precise technicalities.

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For long distance disabled travel? Yeah, this is a legitimately more difficult logistics problem to solve in a general way that isn't wildly costly to either the rider, or the ride provider... but bicycles are probably the least sensible solution to this problem I've ever heard.

... But it is a free parking pass for a car, so the suggestion of using a bicycle, to avoid using a car, is still utterly nonsensical.

... Do you not understand the context that arose to the comment I made?

Person 1: Its dumb that you need a parking pass, for a car, to use isolated national parks in WA, most of which are very far away from civilization.

Person 2: Just bicycle to national parks.

Me: Disabled people cannot bicycle tens or hundreds of miles to a national park, nor is that really reasonable for non disabled people generally, that is a ludicrous suggestion.

You: sp3ctr4l is obviously using disingenuous anti bkcycling, pro car strawmen arguments.

... Please learn to read before you wildly throw out nonsensical accusations.

The entire discussion here ... it inherits the details and context of its parent comments.

The discussion is particular to a specific set of circumstances in Washington state, USA.

Proposing bicycling as a universal transit solution, or long distance solution, or a solution to get to remote areas, in a highly mountainous region... is wildly impractical.

I don't know for 100% certain, but you have a .nl user account, which to me implies a decent chance you live in the Netherlands.

... A place that is about 1/4 the size of WA, and is extremely flat.

This would be like proposing bicycling as a reasonable long distance travel solution for... basically the southern half of Norway if you bisected its area at the appropriate latitude line.

That is about the same size and has comparable elevation extremes, although the climate varies much more in WA, from temperate, to temperate rainforest, to a literal desert on the east side of the Cascades.

(Indeed, this is why WA has a very sizeable population of Norweigian ancenstry, because much of the state reminded them of much of Norway.)

... Finally: Many, many people who live in WA fairly regularly do indeed go on 3hr trips to visit a distant national park for either one day, or a weekend. Mt St Helens, the Hoh Rainforest, vist the Grand Coulee Dam, etc.

I have actually known a decent number of people in my life, living in WA, who have a, 2+ hour daily commute to work, 2+ hr commute back, either by car, or involving a ferry ride, or via public transit.

I myself had such a commute via bus routes at one point.

I agree with you that truly set aside for civilization, natural parks... should indeed be difficult and remote and hard to access.

... Which is why I mocked the idea of bicycling being proposed specifically as a way to get to them.

I was there for 4 Seattle subreddits, lol.

...there were FOUR?! jfc...

They were trolls, I'm pretty sure Rainier was a legit Russian troll.

Wow, that just activated a bunch of unpleasant memories.

Yeah, I concur, that guy was a legitimate Russian troll, and yeah Doug I remeber being the most ludicrous infuriating asshat.

As for the bicyclists, I think they might be doing this type of shit (same as in this thread). I'm not 100% that they're legit bicyclists.

Every actual avid bicyclist I ever knew irl is basically the exact opposite of a person who would... you know, spend all their time on an internet forum?

Granted, this was about a decade ago now, but... I remember actually having to explain the concept of an internet forum to a few of them... 'wait, its like a blog, but ... its like... everyone's blog?'.

As for the troll tactic, yep that defines it perfectly.

Manipulate social dynamics by identifying and trolling influential thought leaders, as opposed to just bullying randos. Make group cohesion impossible with constant petty drama bullshit to defame people.

... pretty sure the internet was basically a mistske at this point rofl.

Yeah, put super simply:

Minimize needed actual storage space and time a thing spends in storage... by relying on very frequent and consistent logistics.

Its very efficient in the sense of minimizing operating costs...

But it is also extremely fragile, a minor perturbation can fuck shit up for weeks or months.

... And we are getting... well basically the most major disruption in the history of JIT as a logistics paradigm.

Cazadores are the only goddamned things I actually have to use VATS for, as a PC player.

They are too, fucking, fast.

... Need a goddamned grenade launcher and elevation to take em out reliably w/o VATS, in my experience. That or a scoped rifle at long range.

I appreciate the sentiment.

I'm used to casual ableism in general, but these folks have some weapons grade, fucking Clydesdale, Belgian Draft level high horses they rode in on to this discussion.

Normally when you just point out... hey disabled people exist, 99% of people go, oh fuck, shit, i forgot... good point...

Years ago I noticed a trend on Seattle based subreddits that... there's a lot of just unbelievably perma online debatelord bullshit culture going on.

I know there was some massively stupid meta drama with there being like dueling Seattle subreddits and I think a third one at one point?

Its like tankie levels of utter certainty that anyone who could ever disagree with them on any minor issue, or even the precise language or framing talking about such is obviously a bad faith shit disturber employed by the CIA to detract from the... whatever worldview it is they have... which they also just... assume you already know all the details of... before you ever talk to them.

My guess would be these people are basically trauma molded by that, and brought it here to lemmy.

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I ran into another person yesterday in some other thread, a meme about jesus telling people to cut off the tips of their dicks.

I threw in some historical background about why it is that... that's really only an American Christian thing.

... and some rando is like 'oh my god. i just got here from reddit and I am SICK of people obsessing over male circumcision, its not that big a deal, why are people here like this too, not a good look lemmy!'

Told im Ive been using lemmy for over a year (recently switched over to dbzero because yargh mateys!)... and I'd never even brought up this topic before.

He replies that he is going to rebutt any discussion of male genital mutilation anywhere he sees it!

... And I laugh at his hypocritical understanding of the word 'obsession'.

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Maybe we need like some kind of resocialization, decompression zone, type of comm.

Gotta unlearn the hyperdefensive reflex, the undo the antisocial personity disorder that happens when you OD on toxic corpo social media.

... Either that or if these people actually ride bicycles, and don't just debatelord about them on the net...

One good T-Boning on a bike by a car running a red at 30 mph and they'll be about as fucked up as I am.

Happens every day.

Ah, my bad, I saw it decades ago, and you did say you just saw it, I was needlessly hostile.

IIRC, ... I think the movie actually did inspire a number of people, in real life, to attempt to do the ... fractional penny slush fund.

Yep, here's a more recent case:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/30/us/office-space-inspired-washington-software-engineer-thief/index.html

While it's a comedy film, it surprisingly touched on a lot of areas seen in David Graeber's 'Bullshit Jobs' concept, 14 years earlier.

... Surprising?

Just ahead of the curve.

... Sorta like how people seemed to think Carlin was... joking.

Delivered in an entertaining, humorous way?

Yes.

Joking?

No.