[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 1 points 1 day ago

Ah, but the conversation has moved past your initial question.

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 1 points 1 day ago

Did I say anything about a subculture?

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 2 points 1 day ago

I do not. What I am talking about is people (women included) who are generally loud, boisterous, admittedly a little threatening (though this stems from my past experiences), and who act with little to no regard for the feelings or wellbeing of anyone other than themselves. These aren't hard and fast rules, of course.

When I see roadmen around the city I now live in, they're never causing any trouble: just hanging around, usually vaping, and that's okay. The idea that everyone matching this description is a violent criminal is bullshit drummed up by the tabloids in order to scare old folk and distance them from young people. However, when I was in middle/high school, any dickhead who decided to be cruel to me or my brother for any reason would match this description every time — with the exceptions of two specific boys, who were posh twats. At the same time, many of my friends then and now either fit this description or have the lifestyle usually attributed to the stereotype.

The clothing is just a correlation.

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 1 points 1 day ago

If it's a caricature then how have I met so many of them?

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Please get a life. If you're a chav/ned/roadman, we honestly don't care; nor do we give a fuck if you like them.

I, a member of the working class from the north-east, have both close friends and sworn enemies across this demographic. Do I want to be a part of it myself? Not really. Do I care if other people do/are? Also no. You do you.

Alternatively, if this is a hyperfixation, there are friendlier ways to approach it than accusing the Fediverse of classism.

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 6 points 2 days ago

Nile should totally try this. For science.

(Kinda joking, but I would also honsetly find this really interesting)

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 3 points 2 days ago

Way to just say the same thing a bunch of times.

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Well, yes; after all, I have been able to modify even proprietary software to fit my own preferences; but it's clear (and also explicitly stated) that it's supposed to be used mostly as-it-comes.

I can't say I've tried Niri or PaperWM before, but if they're based on GNOME then maybe I'm being a little harsh.

Thanks for the complements!

[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Obviously check out Eylenburg's page and the ArchWiki, but here are my two cents on a bunch of DEs:

This is going to be long

Note: The weight of a DE is comparitive. "Heavy" DEs (such as GNOME) can still be swift on lower spec machines.

GNOME

  • Based on Shell Toolkit and GTK4 (with libadwaita)
  • Wayland only
  • Heavy
  • Slightly similar to macOS' UI/UX, but really in a class of its own
  • ~~Not particularly customisable~~ Can be customised heavily, but the settings aren't exposed and the devs don't like it much.

KDE Plasma

  • Based on Qt6 and QML (with its own frameworks)
  • Wayland only (usually)
  • Heavy
  • Has a lot of dependencies
  • Very Windows-y out of the box; but can easily be modified to replicate any other UI/UX

KDE Liquid

  • Based on QtQuick
  • X11 only (as far as I know)
  • Midweight
  • No fancy effects
  • Not usually packaged, but available on Arch
  • Basically just KDE Plasma, but using a slightly different widget toolkit

Xfce

  • Based on GTK2/3 (originally XForms)
  • X11 by default, but everything except Xfwm supports Wayland (Xfwl is almost done)
  • Light
  • Generally looks like itself, but some Linux distros have it looking more like Windows

LXQt

  • Based on Qt5/6
  • X11 by default, but you can switch Openbox for KWin or LabWC in the settings
  • Light
  • The result of LXDE and Razor-qt merging
  • Layout is similar to older versions of Windows, but this can be changed

LXDE

  • Based on GTK2 (I believe a GTK3 port may exist)
  • X11 only
  • Very light

MATE

  • Based on GTK2
  • X11 only, but it's almost Wayland-ready
  • Midweight
  • Comparable to Xfce
  • Unique 2-bar layout, but can be transformed
  • A fork of GNOME 2

Cinnamon

  • Based on GTK3/4 (with XApp frameworks)
  • X11 by default, with experimental Wayland support
  • Midweight
  • Windows-esque layout
  • Created as a spiritual successor to GNOME 2
  • Forked from GNOME 3

Budgie

  • Based on GTK3/4
  • Wayland only
  • Midweight
  • Unique layout
  • Also created as a spiritual successor to GNOME 2

deepin

  • I know basically nothing about this other than the fact it's Chinese
  • Looks pretty

Trinity

  • Based on TQt3
  • X11 only
  • Lightweight (these days)
  • Similar layout to Windows; actually an old KDE layout
  • Forked from KDE 3
  • Maintains its own forks of Qt (called TQt), KHTML, and the KDE applications
  • Still works with older themes and software, such as QtCurve (which is nice)

Enlightenment

  • Based on EFL
  • X11 by default, with experimental Wayland support
  • Lightweight, despite fancy effects and animations
  • Often considered a WM, rather than a DE, but it has its own suite of applications so it's a DE
  • Unique layout

COSMIC

  • Based on iced
  • Wayland by default
  • Unsure of weight
  • Maintained by System76 (the Pop!_OS people)
  • Layout similar to GNOME
  • Still quite new

Lumina

  • Based on Qt5
  • X11 by default
  • Quite popular among FreeBSD users

Pantheon

  • Based on GTK3/4 and Granite
  • Wayland by default (soon to be Wayland-only)
  • Midweight
  • Akin to macOS
  • Used in elementary OS

CDE

  • Based on Motif
  • X11 only
  • Lightweight
  • Ancient software, used in many Unices (e.g. AIX, Solaris, Tru64, etc.) and other OSes (e.g. VMS) back in the day

FVWM-Crystal

  • Not based on any particular toolkit (a fair bit of raw XCB/Xlib, I imagine)
  • X11 only
  • Very lightweight
  • Quite old, so your mileage may vary when using it with newer software
  • Integrates with several music players, including Audacious and Quod Libet
  • Arguably more of a shell for FVWM
[-] heliotrope@retrofed.com 21 points 4 days ago

And then there's also sndio, ported from OpenBSD. This does basically the same thing as OSS/ALSA.

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  • GTK Theme: DarkCold
  • Icon Theme: Deepsea
  • Qt Theme: Oxygen (to be set up)
  • WM Theme: NanoBlue
  • Fonts: Terminess Nerd Font and a generic sans-serif

  • Browser: Mullvad Browser
  • Terminal: Sakura
  • Shell: mksh (ignore what fastfetch says)
  • Editor: nano

  • Init System: runit
  • Filesystems:
    • / - JFS on LUKS
    • /boot - Ext4

I know this is very similar to the setup on my Raspberry Pi (different account). So shoot me. /s

EDIT: Ignore what Conky says my CPU is. For some reason, this was hard-coded.

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CRUX (thelemmy.club)

Actually managed to install CRUX with full disk encryption, using a combination of the CRUX handbook and the Artix installation on another laptop.

Shame the WiFi doesn't work.

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