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cc @dgerard

haha, it's starting to happen: even fucking fortune is running a piece that throwing big piles of money on ever-larger training has done exactly fuckall to make this nonsense go anywhere

google's on their shit again

can't sneer it properly just yet, there's a lot

I was not aware of this, failed my constitution roll, and have taken psychic damage

heh yup. I think the most recent one (somewhere in the last year) was something like 12-bit rsa? stupendously far off from being a meaningful thing

I’ll readily admit to being a cryptography mutt and a qc know-barely-anything, and even from my limited understanding the assessment of where people are at (with how many qubits they’ve managed to achieve in practical systems) everything is hilariously woefully far off ito attacks

that doesn’t entirely invalidate pqc and such (since the notion there is not merely defending against today/soon but also a significant timeline)

one thing I am curious about (and which you might’ve seen or be able to talk about, blake): is there any kind of known correlation between qubits and viable attacks? I realize part of this quite strongly depends on the attack method as well, but off the cuff I have a guess (“intuition” is probably the wrong word) that it probably scales some weird way (as opposed to linear/log/exp)

those opinions should come with a whiplash warning, fucking hell

can’t wait to once again hear that someone is sure we’re “just overreacting” and that ~~star of david~~ ~~passbooks~~ voter ID laws will be totes fine. I’m sure it’ll be a really lovely conversation with a perfectly sensible and caring human. :|

ah, the novel QC RSA attack: shaking the algorithm so much it gets annoyed and gives up the plaintext out of desperation

we already have hilbert curves, you don't need to go fill space just because it's there

"judge every molecule" and "simulation hypothesis" probably have a bit of a fling going

even this he has to ruin

the sidebar has a link (the TESCREAL one) which may also be illuminating

as to the rest, yuuuuuup. that's why sneerclub and techtakes exist.

it's ..... hairy

this is a prior attempt by me at giving a (very) concise overview of the "main camp" (for lack of a better term). the zizians are a distinct, specific, extremist offshoot of these.

and I want to make clear that "extremist" there is really, really intense. because 'ole Yud himself has advocated nuking datacenters to "stop the AI"

thiel's linked in by......many strands. it's pretty accurate to say that many aren't known, and only some are. some things that are: these ideas are extremely popular with a lot of the kind of people who work at thiel-funded/thiel-connected companies (palantir, etc etc). there's also a strong link/correlation between the sort of shit that both thiel/yarvin say, and many of these

don't feel bad for not getting it from the getgo, nor should you feel bad about not wanting to dive in. much of their shit spans 2~3 decades (even longer when you account for the extropians and longtermists and shit...), so there's a lot