I don't think about it. I don't understand the question, honestly. I see people as men or women, short or tall, blue eyed or brown eyed, they come they go. It's not important to me how they see themselves, it doesn't interfere with my daily business or interactions with people, I try my best to treat everybody with respect and mind my own business. They can think they're the Queen of England for all I care.

Huh. I was going to write my own reply but I will defer to your argument, it perfectly encapsulates how I see it too, no notes.

I think it is a very topical argument- mind you I am genuinely not taking a position, I am exploring the logical consequences of the argument. There are pitfalls in the line or reasoning going on the argument that they are making. This is how philosophical discourse works. It's how arguments and logic works. Being emotional about it is fine, but it's not conducive to exploring the consequences of the argument.

The reason incest is frowned upon and often illegal is because of the danger it poses to any potential offspring.

The purely hypothetical counter argument here would be that what constitutes a "defect" or "danger" is highly subjective and prone to abuse. Where do we draw the line? Either there is no line and anyone can freely breed offspring, or we are in dangerous territory where we are determining which qualities we as a society deem "unwanted". What do we mean by "defect"? What do we mean by "unwanted"?

At a population scale, genetic diversity is critical to survival of a population, and a collapse of genetic diversity through too much inbreeding tends to lead to a very unhealthy population

Well that is an argument from utility. Who is to say that people must subject themselves to the "critical survival of a population"? What if people don't care? If they refused to, what would we do? Force them not to breed, by, say sterilizing them? Surely you see the issue here.

That's ok. You don't have to like what other people think. I don't always like what other people think either. But it's good to challenge and think through ones positions, I think everyone benefits from that. I think it's critical, in fact.

(great thread BTW!)

My controversial opinion is that if everyone has the right to self identification, I have the right to reject that identification. I am under neither logical nor moral obligation to accept another person's beliefs about themselves or the world. Keep in mind I firmly assert that all people deserve to be treated with kindness and respect, I am making a descriptive not a normative statement. This is strictly a question of retaining the right to epistemological determination, "self identification" being based on that same exact fundamental premise.

Forming relationships with people that are different (as in, not relatives) helps avoid the bad parts of the family structure

That is an argument from utility, which can most certainly be debated. What constitutes "bad"? That is a subjective interpretation.

where the weirdness persists and grows, until it reaches weird shit.

And how do we define "weird shit"? Are "normal" relationships not "weird shit" and don't they lead to "weird shit"?

their DNA and having their own biological kids as if it mattered.

Well, it matters to them. Therefore, it matters. Doesn't it? It does to them.

Genuinely just poking at arguments here, I have no decided opinion either way.

People have the right to define themselves however they want. Likewise, people have the right not to share those determinations.

If others have the right to see themselves however they want, I have the right to see themselves however I want too. Reciprocity works like that.

No sorrow.

Only potato.

Such is life.

Hahaha let's laugh about this illegal imperial war and normalize it like it's no big deal

She's eligible to become president then.

People usually don't just bomb random countries in the middle east for prof...

...Never mind.

Let's normalize illegal imperial wars for profit and oil without congressional approval, because who likes THAT guy amirite