Calm the fuck down bud, I said nothing ableist at all.

You said "You personally not using something, doesn't mean others don't" and the whole tone of your comment sounds like you're against getting rid of straws.

Yes straws isn't single-handedly destroying the planet but not giving out needless plastic with every drink is still good.

Yes some people will still need straws, no one said "FUCK DISABLED PEOPLE, NO STRAWS FOR YOU" and when talking about general problems and solutions like this we all know there will be exceptions.

Bringing up fringes cases and making it sound like a general counter argument is silly.

And no I don't eat sea food or any other animals and yes I tell other people to stop too :)

Chevron is extremely evil

????

Those corporations get their money from people like you.

Yes regulation would be the best to stop them but you know that's not gonna happen any time soon, especially when everyone refuses to change their own habits, politicians aren't gonna force through regulations that get people angry because they want their steaks.

Why do you want to continue to participate in something bad until it's legally not allowed anymore?
Why not do what you can while also advocating for regulation and political change?

What does holding evil corporations accountable look like if not refusing to give them your money?

buh buh.. corporations tho!

It's incredibly frustrating how people who easily can change their destructive habits absolutely refuse..

Animal products are incredibly harmful to the climate and are inherently wasteful.

Those corporations get their money from people like you.

Yes regulation would be the best to stop them but you know that's not gonna happen any time soon, especially when everyone refuses to change their own habits, politicians aren't gonna force through regulations that get people angry because they want their steaks.

Why do you want to continue to participate in something bad until it's legally not allowed anymore?
Why not do what you can (stop consuming animal products) while also advocating for regulation and political change?

What does holding evil corporations accountable look like if not refusing to give them your money?

Go vegan

It's not fake sugar lol, it exists.

It's added sugar

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I haven't been an asshole at all, I've simply countered your points.

Seems you've let your emotions cloud what was actually said, try rereading what I've said when you're calmer.

a huge effort for that person btw

Avoiding animal products really isn't that difficult, I made the change myself.

when everyone does a million things in their lives that also contribute to these issues

That's exactly the problem, our modern way of living is extremely wasteful and destructive, giving up because there's a lot of issues isn't gonna help, we should be talking about these things and making changes.

And if we are going to drop meat, let's also push people to stop driving, stop flying, stop buying gadgets, stop buying all plastics, stop using air conditioning, and on and on.

Yes, exactly, now you're getting it.
We all need to make meaningful changes to fight climate change, that's what this thread is about.
"World's hottest day since records began" should be a wake up call to not continue as usual.

but which of these do you think you can get enough of a mass of people to give up?

I never claimed fighting climate change was gonna be easy, that doesn't mean we should give up.

It has to be aimed at governmental bodies to make these changes on a meaningful scale.

Yes, I've continually said we advocate for regulation which can be done while changing our individual habits and lifestyles to match those changes we are advocating for.

Does it make sense to ask politicians to make regulations while you yourself are supporting the thing you want regulated?

Going vegan is one of the most impactful changes a person can make in terms of climate impact and it really isn't that hard.

I can see that.

I think it's fair to call fighting climate change and animal cruelty "the right side" tho :)