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[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Yep, I saw that on the talk page and it actually was listed there, but they had to remove it since it "was the only entry that did not have a death toll."

It should be noted that one of the reasons for removing it was a lack of death toll. Every single entry in the article's list has a death toll. The Uyghur genocide, when it was listed here, was the only entry that did not have a death toll. Given that the article Uyghur genocide itself had its title changed to Persecution of Uyghurs in China, you should first go there and argue for a restoration of that article's title. But you should familiarize yourself with the subject matter and the discussion behind the decision here. JasonMacker (talk) 17:46, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

(I wrote this comment before you edited yours and saw you did the same thing lol)

 

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/22335522

Wikipedia has officially added “Gaza genocide” to its “List of Genocides” page, marking a major shift in how Israel’s aggression on the besieged enclave is being documented on the world’s largest online encyclopaedia.

The addition, which now appears as the first entry due to the list’s reverse chronological order, comes after months of extensive debate among the platform’s editors. On its “Gaza genocide” page, it states that “Experts, governments, United Nations agencies, and non-governmental organisations have accused Israel of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian people during its invasion and bombing of the Gaza Strip in the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.”

The entry for “List of genocides,” Wikipedia states that “Israel has been accused by experts, governments, UN agencies and non-governmental organisations of carrying out a genocide against the Palestinian population during its invasion and bombing of Gaza during the ongoing Israel–Hamas war.” The page goes on to list the death toll in Gaza while mentioning that the overwhelming majority of Palestinians killed are civilians.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

No, it's not true to say that an event is not Genocide just because the party (rightly IMV) accused of Genocide hasn't blocked 100% of humanitarian aid. Blocking humanitarian aid is illegal under international law.[1][2]

In deciding whether or not the event constitutes Genocide, It matters whether the killings and conditions imposed on the population of the Gaza Strip can be proven to be carried out with genocidal intent. South Africa has already presented ample evidence of statements from Israeli leaders which are/seem tantamount to statements of genocidal intent, and the ICJ has already ruled that there is a plausible risk of genocide being committed. We are just waiting for the ICJ to make their ruling.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Google gave me an article from The Guardian from 2001.

Secret UK deal freed Pinochet

A new book alleges the former dictator's release from Britain was brokered between Chile and Downing St.

Augusto Pinochet, the former Chilean dictator, was allowed to escape extradition to Spain on 2 March last year because of plans worked out over many months by Tony Blair and Foreign Secretary Robin Cook in collaboration with Eduardo Frei, then President of Chile, according to leading Chilean sources. José María Aznar, the conservative Prime Minister of Spain and his Foreign Minister Abel Matutes, were involved in the planning.

The Blair-Frei plan was to prevent Pinochet's extradition while observing the law. Instead, the Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary relied on Britain's wide discretion on extradition matters.

The plan was conceived in 1999 after it became clear that the Pinochet affair was dragging on far longer than governments expected and came to fruition when British doctors examined the General at Northwick Park Hospital in Harrow, north London, on 5 January last year. Their report allowed Straw to exercise his discretion to release Pinochet on humanitarian grounds even though the former dictator had never said he was too ill to stand trial.

Frei argued to Blair that neither government would benefit if Pinochet were to die in England and that he could be tried in Chilean courts. According to the book, Blair emphasised to Frei that the case was before the courts and the Government could not interfere, adding that any British leader would court grave problems at home if he were seen to interfere with the course of justice. If there were any powers which Government could exercise they would be exercised by a Home Secretary not a Prime Minister, he said. Blair undertook to do what he could within the law provided the exchanges between the two leaders were kept secret. The authors claim that Blair suggested setting up a 'back channel', with two people appointed to liaise between the leaders' private offices.

The contact man between Frei and Blair was Cristian Tolosa, Frei's press chief, who made six visits to London in the second half of 1999, liaising with Blair's aide Jonathan Powell at Number 10. Yesterday, Downing Street said that it did not comment on contacts between officials.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I don't find your view unreasonable at all. Pro-Democrat people have always been crazy when it comes to losing the election to a Republican and Pro-Republican people have always been crazy when it comes to losing the election to a Democrat.

The really substantial global events such as the Zionist Genocide against the Gaza Strip and the Russia-Ukraine war are more impactful than all the bickering between the 2 parties in the USA. State agencies make plans years in advance before carrying them out so that they can dedicate state resources towards those plans. If there were to be a candidate that caused major disruption to those plans then all efforts would be made to undermine their chance of coming to power.

There's only a change in rhetoric and framing of major events depending on who wins the election. I don't live in the USA either but I remember feeling conflicted about how I would have voted were I to have lived there in 2020. Trump is outwardly a racist person who uses similar propaganda tactics as Hitler IMO. He feeds off of people's anger, scapegoats minorities, creates a sense of 'community' among his supporters to make them feel emotionally invested in supporting him, uses ingroup/outgroup politics more heavily, and creates catchy labels to attack his enemies "sleepy Joe", "crooked Hillary" etc.

Whereas Kamala Harris and Democrats in general (like Obama) are just good at honing in on the most diplomatic language possible to invoke apathy towards all injustices perpetrated by the US government, its allies and corporations. And to be honest, with me I admit that it kind of works. I remember feeling much more passionate about awful shit in the USA when Trump was president compared to Biden. I can't even imagine the rage I would have felt had Donald Trump justified the bombing of Al-Ahli Hospital by Israel compared to Biden doing the exact same thing.

Which of the two is worse is impossible for me to say, and all Dems who admonish people for voting for Jill Stein and opposing Genocide, blaming them for some imaginary people bleeding out are total clowns. The election ended up being about whether you identify more with Elon Musk and Joe Rogan or with Beyoncé. It's ok if you don't fall into either camp.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

A final chapter in the 9/11 Commission Report aka the '28 pages' was declassified in 2015/2016 and it details close connections between the State of Saudi Arabia and the al-Qaeda hijackers who perpetrated 9/11. I read them when they were released and from my memory, it revealed that Saudi sorted out flying lessons for the hijackers and provided money to the hijackers. Some of the hijackers had Saudi intelligence and royal family members saved in their phones as contacts. What I took from the release is that it's very likely 9/11 was planned by Saudi Arabia and that they just used Al-Qaeda as an instrument to carry it out.

“The FBI has received numerous reports from individuals in the Muslim community, dating back to 1999, alleging that al-Bayoumi may be a Saudi intelligence officer…al-Bayoumi met the hijackers at a public place shortly after his meeting with an individual at the Saudi consulate and there are indications in his files that his encounter with the hijackers may not have been accidental. During this same timeframe, al-Bayoumi had extensive contact with Saudi Government establishments in the United States and received financial support from a Saudi company affiliated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense…That company reportedly has ties to Usama Bin Ladin and al-Qaeda.”

https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/the-32-most-important-passages-from-the-un-redacte

I personally believe that people in the US Government knew in advance that 9/11 would happen and had already planned on using it as a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein, similar to how the Zionist entity is using Oct 7 as a pretext to conduct Genocide against the people of the Gaza strip and to go on a killing spree across the Middle East.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Capitalism breeds innovation

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 months ago

JUST IN: Member of Hamas Political Bureau, Ghazi Hamad:

We already expected this result at the Doha negotiations.

Netanyahu was practicing deception and did not provide answers to all the questions to reach an agreement. Netanyahu sets new conditions, undermines what was previously agreed upon, and his goal is to continue the war.

We will not allow the occupation in any way in any part of the Gaza Strip. Netanyahu wants to propose a new formula for negotiation from the beginning to gain more time.

What was reported in the Wall Street Journal about Israel’s readiness to withdraw from the corridor is not true.

Israel wants to leave a loophole in the agreement so that it can return to war later.

No agreement can pass without a complete ceasefire, the withdrawal of the occupation, the return of the displaced, and the exchange of prisoners.

Our position is strong and firm and all factions agree on it, and we will no longer enter into any futile negotiations.

‼️ The Iranian response & Hezbollah’s response are their right and have a different path than the negotiations.

Hezbollah has been fighting for more than 10 months and offering martyrs, and it is thanked for what it is doing, and the occupation only understands the language of force.

https://x.com/AryJeay/status/1824531086233215417

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 months ago

Israel has always planned on escalating the war as much as possible as it advances their geopolitical interests and so they have always sought to undermine all ceasefire negotiations. They know that the US will be forced to defend their Zionist outpost in the Middle East from an attack led by any party. The US is straight-up lying about there being a possibility that Israel will agree to a ceasefire in the hopes that Iran will delay or consider abandoning a large retaliation.

Hamas weren't even at the talks Biden is talking about here! Hamas withdrew from the negotiations because they were/are a sham. They demand Israel accept another deal agreed upon months ago.

From Praxis Redacted telegram:


Hamas leadership source to AJ:

What we were informed about the results of the Doha meetings (https://t.me/PalestineResist/53086) does not include a commitment to what was agreed upon (https://t.me/PalestineResist/52491) on July 2.


Hamas sources to Al-Aqsa TV:

The Hamas movement is committed to the July 2 proposal. (https://t.me/PalestineResist/52491) What reaches us through indirect channels falls short of the presented ceiling, and Hamas will not accept it.


Ibn Riad: May God curse those who are complicit with laundering these sham "ceasefire talks", knowing full well that they are doing nothing other than buying the occupation more time to murder more and more and more. May they find no forgiveness in this world nor the next.


@BIG_Brother7 on X: (https://x.com/big__brother7/status/1824470133445730786?s=46) Qatar and Egypt, as mediators, lack even a shred of honor; if they had any, they wouldn't have taken part in this farce called ceasefire talks.

A mediator is supposed to be neutral, but these two shitstains aren't even that; they are just marionettes of the empire.


Ahmed Hassan in Yemen: Every time America and “Israel” deceive the people [to instill] a false hope, they talk about a ceasefire and the release of hostages.

This is a policy so that people lose interest and do not monitor the current events, so that America and “Israel” can manipulate and deceive the people.

We should not talk about an illusion and care about empty talk.

The ceasefire should not be conditional on the outcome of negotiations, the ceasefire and stopping the massacres is a non-negotiable issue.


Hamas leader Mahmoud Mardawi to Al-Arabi:

We will not accept any solution that does not align with the July 2 (https://t.me/PalestineResist/52491) proposal.

The Palestinian people will not pay the price for the U.S. position that covers for "israel" and its crimes.


Zionist officials to Hebrew Channel 12: We do not agree with the estimates of reducing the state of alert. We presume that an attack from Iran or Hezbollah could happen at any moment.

 
 

As we gather here for the 10th month in a row to advance a ceasefire to save human lives, Israel continues taking human lives and every action possible to spread a wildfire across the Middle East. As we sit here on the 75th anniversary of the Geneva conventions that were birthed in the ruins of entire cities, in the mass and indiscriminate killing of civilians in the death chambers, in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, as a pledge that the light will emerge out of the darkest night and protect the dignity and humanity of all persons in armed conflict. Israel is tearing the conventions apart in Gaza along with every rule humanity has ever elaborated.

As we meet here in New York there are Israeli government and military officials, pundits and analysts explaining seriously, that they are entitled to carry out indiscriminate and disproportionate attacks against the Palestinian civilian population - to wage war against civilians. They explain that starvation is a legitimate weapon of war. They justify gang rape and torture against defenceless prisoners as a required deterrent - and this is not a theoretical exercise, this is what Israel is imposing against millions of Palestinians. No man woman or child spared.

You demand Israel to stop killing civilians as a security Council, but it targets them in their shelters and tents. You demand Israel to allow food and medicine in, but it ensures that famine and diseases spread. You demand Israel to treat Palestinian prisoners humanely, but it tortures them and allows the Israeli jailers to rape and abuse their Palestinian hostages. You call on it to stop its settlements, but it rapidly accelerates its colonization of Palestinian land. You urge Israel to uphold the historic status quo at the holy sites, but its ministers and settlers desecrate Al Aqsa each time more openly and provocatively. So let me state the obvious: Israel does not care about your condemnations. Let me repeat. Israel does not care about your condemnations. It dismisses your resolutions. It does not even listen to your debates - their representative will be playing with his iPhone while you are talking. As countries, as a Security Council, you had a responsibility to act months ago to stop this impunity, as the genocide continues you have a responsibility to react to save human lives and preserve the foundations for peace and security for all, not just for some.

Israel is a rogue state with a rotten government, due to the unbridled impunity it has enjoyed so far. I have no doubt that the tides will turn and we will not be deterred in making sure no one can act as if Palestinians lives are worthless. But Palestinians in Gaza cannot wait for the tide to turn. Their agony must stop now, must stop right now! They wonder if you see them. Do you ever think; what if you were born in Gaza? What if the prisoner raped was your son? What if the children starving to death were your own? What if that woman killed was your daughter or your wife? What if the disease that was riddling the body of your mother/your grandmother? What if that family that was blown into pieces or burned to death was yours, killed in cold blood after running in desperation and hunger for months to survive? Just consider for one moment the sheer agony and despair that our people have suffered. All these long months of deprivation and devastation lashed upon them while the world watched and left them to suffer, starve, and die.

Mr President, while we acknowledge and welcome the international consensus that has long called for an immediate ceasefire, clearly Israel has rained a veto right over that prospect. This must be brought to an end. Israel cannot continue to defy the world and every rule of humankind. It is not a coincidence. Every time the world pushes for a ceasefire, Israel responds with a massacre like the one in the school. It sends a message each more gruesome than the one before that. It will not stop but there is no right to commit genocide. Obviously no. And we warn all those contributing directly or indirectly to the emergence of such a right - there is nothing that can justify Israeli actions! Nothing!

And don't anyone dare say this is about the hostages - it's not about the hostages! it became apparent long ago that this Israeli government could care less about them. The hostages know it. Their families know it. You know it in the Security Council. Israel is killing them, abandoning them, playing with their lives. Netanyahu has other priorities - self-serving ones, maniacal ones - he's a maniac!

Something terrible is happening in Israel, something that has made justifying genocide, famine, and gang rape mainstream ideology. Something horrific - horrific is happening. The memory of the Holocaust, instead of serving as an unbreachable barrier against the commission of atrocities, has been instrumentalized to justify their commission. How is this possible 10 months later, with the whole world opposed to it? Because that opposition has yet to lead to serious consequences for Israel.

This is a hard fact you have to face, there are no consequences! They're not going to listen to you; to those who continue to arm Israel, to those who still have the audacity to “call on Israel” to investigate its own crimes, as if the actions of its soldiers do not reflect the actual policies of its military and political leaders, to those who dare to try and deter International courts from ensuring accountability, instead of deterring the perpetrators of atrocities. Wake up! Wake up! How long do you have to remain in denial? Wake up! Stop finding excuses. Stop imagining that you can reason with the Israeli government so it stops killing civilians by the thousands, imposing famine, torturing prisoners, colonizing and annexing our land - all while you appeal to them, calling them. Demand them to stop. You have to tell them to stop! And you have the tools to make them stop as a Security Council and as nations in your national capacity.

You have to decide: what do you stand for, and what do you stand against. This is not a time for justifications and equivocations, this is a time for clarity and resolve. This is time to shore up principles and morals. Do not abandon your duties, do not abandon your duties as a Security Council. You have the tools to make what you decide a reality, and no one should be above the law. If you choose to do that, if you have the political will to implement what you decide, Mr President, when will the Israeli government be held accountable for its actions? When will the war criminals be sanctioned? And as my brother from Algeria it is time to sanction.

We reject a position whereby you would be against hostage taking except when the hostages are Palestinians, and whereby you would sanction war criminals except when they are Israelis. We cannot come back here over and over again and pretend that everyone does not all know that Israel will not listen until it has no choice but to listen. You have to make them have no choice but to listen to you. Until there are consequences for its crimes. You cannot commit a crime and get away with it, there has to be consequences for those committing crimes. For those who want to defend the Geneva conventions and all the conventions’ elements, when in article one it says that you have to ensure, in all times, compliance with the provisions of the conventions. And you see them getting away with murder and you keep repeating the same thing. When are you going to enforce your decisions and international law? You need to impose sanctions on those criminals - you do that, they will stop continuing to commit these crimes and atrocities and genocide against the Palestinian people. We reject a position whereby you would be against hostage taking as I said except when the hostages are Palestinians and whereby you would sanction war criminals except when they are Israelis. We cannot come back here over and over again and pretend that everyone does not know that Israel will not listen until it has no choice but to listen - until there are consequences for its crimes.

Palestinians are exhausted, surrounded by death and endless horrors and they know that your words are no match for the bombs and bullets taking away their lives and limbs. But words are not all this council has, words are not the only tool your countries have - some have gone beyond words. They are too rare, this is a time to act as a number of you have stated, and you will be judged not only for the eloquence of your speeches, but also and more importantly for the courage of your actions. Show some courage! Show some bravery! Take actions! Stop the criminals in getting away with murder!

Mr President, we don't want Israel to torture our prisoners a bit less as some say that, torture them a bit less. We want to see them free! We don't want Israel to make its occupation a bit less brutal, we want to see it end! Our people deserve freedom! The International Court of Justice has been unequivocal in its determination that “the sustained abuse by Israel of its positions as an occupying power through annexation and an assertion of permanent control over the occupied Palestinian territory and continued frustration of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination violates fundamental principles of international law and renders Israelis presence in the occupied Palestinian territory unlawful.” Their presence in the occupied Palestinian territory is unlawful, therefore the court said it has to end as quickly as possible. This illegal occupation and all the illegal, inhumane, racist and destructive policies that flow from it must end.

The Palestinian people will not disappear and they will not surrender. They will not relinquish their legitimate aspiration to live in freedom and dignity in their ancestral land. I urge the Security Council to act - I urge you to act. And in the coming days we will go to the General Assembly to make sure that it upholds its charter responsibilities - to make sure that the determinations of the highest court in the world, the ICJ, is translated into political will, and momentum into concrete actions to be pursued by the UN and its member states, to end this illegal action as soon as possible, to protect civilians life, to preserve and pursue peace and security.

Dag Hammarskjold once stated “The United Nations was not created in order to bring us to heaven, but in order to save us from Hell.” History will remember that the Palestinians were left to endure Hell, now the fire they have painfully endured for almost a year is spreading to devour everything around in our region there is only one way to stop a man-made fire. It is not enough to tend to the flames, you need to stop the arsonist. Let me repeat what our people in Gaza is saying and they have been saying that and they cannot take it any longer. Enough is enough. You have to act to put an end to this cruel criminality and genocide against our people in Palestine, particularly in the Gaza Strip. Will you do that? All of you, you gave beautiful statements, you showed unanimity in rejecting their criminal action, but that is good, not sufficient. Show the will and the resolve to act on that basis with the tools that you have, with the Mandate given to you by the charter, to come to the Palestinian people and serve them Justice, to stop the criminals from continuing in what they are doing. Can we count on you?

Thank you Mr President.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

I’ve no idea who the original poster of either of these accounts are or what their politics are, and I say this because there’s an unfortunate number of antisemitic responses.

They're a Nazi

 

https://twitter.com/ThisMyHandle/status/1746464428701384800

I got 10/20. They're the fucking same.

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KHAMAS (lemmygrad.ml)
 
 

AlanRMacleod and TrueAnon also got banned. It was a clear and deliberate silencing of opposing voices to the Zionist genocide.

List of banned accounts:

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein

https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod

https://twitter.com/zei_squirrel

https://twitter.com/robrousseau

https://twitter.com/trueanonpod

 
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“I’m not sure, but I don’t think they have anything to do with what America did in the Philippines between 1899 and 1906; in Haiti between 1915 and 1934; in Japan during World War II; in Korea between 1950 and 1953; in Guatemala in 1954; in Vietnam, Laos, and Cambodia between 1960 and 1972; in Cuba in 1961; in Indonesia in the 1960s; in Chile in 1973; in East Timor in 1975; in El Salvador and Nicaragua in the 1980s; in the Persian Gulf in the early 1990s; in Serbia in 1999; in Afghanistan between 2001 and 2021; in Iraq between 2003 and 2007; in Somalia, Libya, and Yemen in the 2010s; and what’s happening in Guantánamo Bay right now.”

 

Amazon allowed bottles of it's own delivery drivers' piss to be sold as an energy drink on its platform, and the algorithm permitted the 'beverage' to reach the spot of #1 best-seller.

Oobah Butler did this to bring attention to Amazon's shitty practices such as their union-busting tactics, surveillance and poor treatment of their workers, failure to investigate the safety of products listed on their platform, tax avoidance, and for failing to check at the point of delivery, the age of recipients for age-restricted items such as knives, saws, and rat poison.

The 'documentary' is available on channel4 (although you need an account): https://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-great-amazon-heist

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