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Did Bush do 9/11? (lemmygrad.ml)
submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

TrueAnon turned me into a truther. Am I crazy?

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[-] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Most likely imo is the perpetrators were involved in some other capacity with the natsec state hence why they were able to slip through so many cracks. Double agents essentially. The taliban and the us go way back so it's not beyond the realm of possibility that the CIA was telling other branches to look the other way on these guys for some unrelated reason. And the attackers used that to their advantage.

The whole thing was basically blowback for covertly backing the overthrow of the socialist gov of Afghanistan back in the 70s and pouring arms into the region to fight a proxy war against the Soviets through the mujahideen (eerily similar to Ukraine actually). It makes sense that the guys slipping through were just another extension of that.

Even if bush did 9/11 which he didnt killing 3000 people isnt even close to his most demonic act, which would be using that attack as justification for launching an unprovoked attack on uninvolved Iraq. Millions of deaths on his hands. Piece of garbage deserves piss bags thrown at him everywhere he goes but instead he gets feted by liberals bc he hands out Werther's just like meemaw used to do.

All the controlled demo stuff is crackpot shit.

Blowback season 4 is probably the single best piece of media you can consume about 9/11 albeit indirectly

[-] [email protected] 14 points 8 months ago

A somewhat similar scenario, is in the documentary No Stone Unturned, about the UK's use of double agents as part of their war on Ireland during the troubles.

Basically a couple of terrorists murdered some innocent catholic civilians in a pub in a small town in northern Ireland. Turns they were loyalist terrorists that were active in the british army, and were being employed by the brits as informants. Its doubtful that MI6 ordered the attack, but as part of sweeping their counter-intelligence fuckery under the rug, they deemed these terrorists as untouchable, and protect them to this day. It took the victim's families refusing to accept the brit's explanations, and a lot of good journalists to discover who these terrorists were.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 8 months ago

not bush individually but american foreign policy. just read osama bin laden letter, it's fairly simple.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Just blaming it on foreign policy in fairly abstract terms doesn't go far enough imo. Bush and the people around him definetely knew of the attacks and covered up their knowledge. Theres also a good case to be made that they may have faciliated the attacks to some extent. The collapes of wtc 7 is really sketchy from what I've seen but I'm open to a good explanation as to how the official explanation of that holds. It was a very clean collapse for something that was not a planned demolition although I admittedly have no clue as to how such a thing would be carried out.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

the US knowing that something was going to happen doesn't mean they can stop it. Its the same thing with Israel about them knowing about Oct7 and "letting it happen", the easiest conclusion is that both were incompetent and simply were not able to stop it. Lets stop viewing them as invincible and omnipotent.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago

Learning about the CIA in depth will quickly validate the viewpoint that they're as incompetent as they are evil

[-] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Never attribute malice when incompetence explains the event unless it's reactionaries, in which case it's both.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Cannot Assassinate Castro who refused to wear a bullet proof vest... Like I am sure the CIA cheered when old age got him and tried to spin it as their doing

[-] [email protected] 26 points 8 months ago

Probably not. It was just like Pearl Harbor where they knew something was up but didn't really try to stop it.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

This. Are we really buying that it was a huge conspiracy instead of just hubris of the American Empire making them lethargic with the fairly obvious signs of what was going to happen?

[-] [email protected] 24 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Truthers and general 9/11 conspiracy theories have always read to me as american exceptionalism, like you cant conceive another group of people in a different country hate your country so much they would fly a plane into the twin towers.

Whats more likely, the conspiracy or that the people you have been waging genocidal wars against for the last 50 years finally had enough?

Its just a distraction from americans genocidal foriegn policy, I strongly advise you get a grip.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Imo the conspiracy is the conspiracy, if that. America got caught with its pants down and Bush did 911, the planes were holograms, etc. is just there to detract/as cope from the fact that the US had spent the last decade doing nothing but masturbating over the corpse of the USSR.

The United States has NEVER needed a reason to invade another country, they've never met a false flag they didn't love

[-] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

AFAIK the hologram and nuke stuff is disinfo just like flat earth (obviously flat earth existed before it just became signal boosted and there was funding to create more of that content)

[-] [email protected] 21 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

We know Putin warned Bush two days before the attack: https://www.rt.com/news/468133-putin-warned-bush-911/

I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility to suggest that someone in the Bush administration might have had an idea, and still let it happen (after all, it made a convenient rationale for wars in the Middle East), and in that sense one might say "Bush did 9/11".

However, I don't think the U.S. government was actually directly responsible though.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

What was the Saudi involvement about?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

A final chapter in the 9/11 Commission Report aka the '28 pages' was declassified in 2015/2016 and it details close connections between the State of Saudi Arabia and the al-Qaeda hijackers who perpetrated 9/11. I read them when they were released and from my memory, it revealed that Saudi sorted out flying lessons for the hijackers and provided money to the hijackers. Some of the hijackers had Saudi intelligence and royal family members saved in their phones as contacts. What I took from the release is that it's very likely 9/11 was planned by Saudi Arabia and that they just used Al-Qaeda as an instrument to carry it out.

“The FBI has received numerous reports from individuals in the Muslim community, dating back to 1999, alleging that al-Bayoumi may be a Saudi intelligence officer…al-Bayoumi met the hijackers at a public place shortly after his meeting with an individual at the Saudi consulate and there are indications in his files that his encounter with the hijackers may not have been accidental. During this same timeframe, al-Bayoumi had extensive contact with Saudi Government establishments in the United States and received financial support from a Saudi company affiliated with the Saudi Ministry of Defense…That company reportedly has ties to Usama Bin Ladin and al-Qaeda.”

https://www.pastemagazine.com/politics/the-32-most-important-passages-from-the-un-redacte

I personally believe that people in the US Government knew in advance that 9/11 would happen and had already planned on using it as a pretext to invade Afghanistan and Iraq to overthrow Saddam Hussein, similar to how the Zionist entity is using Oct 7 as a pretext to conduct Genocide against the people of the Gaza strip and to go on a killing spree across the Middle East.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago

That makes sense. But why were Saudis interested in doing or aiding a terrorist attack on the US?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Honestly, does it matter? It simply wouldn't of occurred without US imperialism, and was used as a pretext for the continuation of the circumstances that caused it. Bush is to blame whether he knew it was gonna happen or not.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Bush? Nah
Cheney? Probably
At the very least they knew about it and let it happen. There were so many warnings beforehand.

There's a reason why dubya left the game and Dick stayed in

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

In addition to communication between intelligence agencies, we know Bush himself was warned: https://www.rt.com/news/468133-putin-warned-bush-911/

[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Adding to all other comments, a lot of the suspicious Bush administration's immediate reaction (i.e. PATRIOT act) can be understood as them being always ready for whatever calamity in order to justify either invasion or neoliberal "reforms".

Naomi Klein (liberal) goes into detail in her book (Shock Doctrine) about what she calls "Disaster Capitalism" and how a lot of effort is put into laying down the groundwork, both legally and ideologically, for whenever crises make them possible, besides constantly agitating for chaos which can lead to said crises.

She has a documentary which summarises her book, if you want a peek. You can easily draw parallels between the events she describes and what's happening now in Argentina, Ukraine and Ecuador, among others.

Now, with regards to what motivates this conspiracy theory: it's a patriotic distraction. As US citizen lives are treated by US society as inherently more important, portraying Bush as a traitor is an attractive pitfall to fall into, whitewashing the constant crimes of the US, internally and abroad, as the acts of "a bad president". Even if Bush had personally pushed a button to launch missiles at the WTC, it would not be even remotely close to the social murder caused by his administration, or any other admin before or after.

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

he was in on it definitely. if you're into following money trails look into the CIA front company "Ace Elevators" (doesn't exist anymore) that got the WTC elevator maintenance contracts instead of Otis Elevators, probably the biggest name in elevators and elevator repair.
if you're into architecture look into the collapse of WTC 7. According to NIST, it collapsed purely from an office fire, and that debris from WTC 1 and 2 nearby only did superficial damage. (Bots who argue it collapsed because of falling debris are figuratively "conspiracy theorists" that go against what the gov says)

If you're into human interest stories there's a LOT of them as well

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