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[+] 312 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (36 children)
  • [–] 120 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    I just got run out of hexbear because I believe voting for Biden, while shitty, is a form of harm reduction. I got called a genocide supporter and a fascist followed by hours of threats and wishes of harm, including my favorite. An emoji of a location where Nazis were executed by partisans in Yugoslavia.

    I'm new to lemmy so just kinda assumed it was a leftist space. I didn't realize that it's just red tented Nazis with no actual love for their fellow human beings. Something I consider necessary to being a socialist in any form. That sucked.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

    I don't really understand hexbear. They are leftists that are so left they are Nazis?

    I get it, I don't like voting for Biden, but we live in a two party system where we have to vote for the least evil one.

    And despite myself, Biden has passed some of the most progressive legislation ever (at least my lefty podcasts tell me that) So while he was glacially, immorally, slow to call for a ceasefire in Gaza, he has done it and his policies are inarguably more moral than Trumps were and likely will be, should trump win.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    They are leftists that are so left they are Nazis?

    Tankies are not really leftists. They are conservatives who call themselves leftists. They are engaging in modern propaganda.

    One of the standard tactics of fascists is to sew chaos and confusion among any who may resist. A tankie's primary goal is to create confusion and demotivate progressives.

    Not everyone falls for it, but some tankies can be pretty convincing that they really believe their nonsense. Do not be fooled. Tankies are absolutely lying. They are pro-level trolls with a deadly serious goal.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    This is their classic pincer maneuver employed by the establishment - and it works really well: the left wing candidate is both too left and not left enough.

    You see it in every election.

    It works so well because they own mainstream media so they can run all narratives at the same time as opinion pieces to hamstrung the left. That's how the ratchet works also.

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    [–] 165 points 2 years ago (106 children)

    Time to violently storm the Supreme Court, then. After all, they approve.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 years ago (83 children)

    This is a shit take. This ruling is not saying "Trump did nothing wrong", this is specifically saying "States cannot unilaterally decide to remove federal election candidates from ballots", which I completely agree with. As others have noted, it would open the doors to so much bullshit if this were allowed.

    The SC could come out tomorrow and say "We're disqualifying Trump", this doesn't preclude that.

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    [+] 151 points 2 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)
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    [–] 106 points 2 years ago (25 children)

    The states explicitly have that determining power according to the constitution, specifically for insurrection.

    Fuuuck the Supreme Cowards.

    Unanimous? How?

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    [–] 78 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Fascists use institutions to secure and entrench power. They are not restricted by them.

    The question for those cheering this decision as a win for the rule of law or the institution is: how aware of this are you?

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    [–] 74 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    A nonsensical ruling.

    The section specifically says congress can allow someone to hold office with a 2/3rds vote. How does it make any sense that it also takes specific congressional action to disqualify someone? A simple majority could stop that.

    They even noted on a footnote a case where a 2/3rds majority voted to seat a former confederate. Yet they didn’t bother to outline how he was disqualified to start with. It wasn’t congressional action.

    And they exceed legal thoughts as the suppose there needs to be uniformity so the president is president for all. History is filled with candidates that didn’t appear on the ballot is some states. Lincoln wasn’t on the ballot in some southern states. Like it or not, that is how it works.

    And while the majority was rightfully chided for going beyond the question presented, shame on the liberals for ruling to protect their federal power rather than protecting the integrity of elections. I hated the oral arguments where they were all saying it “feels” like a federal question. If you want it to be a federal question, amend the constitution so the feds are in charge of elections. Until then, states have the right to decide who is on their ballot.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Tenth Amendment: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

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  • [–] 49 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    What happened to State's Rights? Oh, they only matter when they didn't benefit you. Got it.

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago

    What happened to upholding the constitution? He is literally barred from office for his crimes, and his legal defence was that he did those crimes but it shouldn't disbar him (even though it very clearly does).

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago* (8 children)

    It's so wild that the 'but the people have democratic rights to choose among candidates' crowd invoke that argument to make the candidate that's promised to end democracy and rights one of the options they can vote for

    You know, because democracy

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    [–] 41 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I thought a president can do anything with full immunity. So Biden could make it so, according to Trump’s own rules.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Does this case not also show that they will infact say he has immunity as well unless Congress impeaches him and the Senate agrees/dismissed the person. Aka the president has immunity to do anything they want so long as one of the legislative departments will not act. Aka, they can be run by fear of death as well unless they can pass the impeachment and dismissal faster than the president can hear about it or act to stop it.

    Theoretically wouldn't it be legal for the president to blow up Congress in session because they couldn't impeach him for doing so until a new Congress is elected.... Which of course cannot happen without them all being scared for their lives. Legal dictatorship. : /

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago

    States rights only applies when it benefits the GQP

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  • [–] 31 points 2 years ago (39 children)

    What I don't understand about the ruling is that congress has already exercised their power. Donald Trump was impeached by congress in 2021 for inciting an insurrection. The states are only enforcing the law based on the ruling a of the House of Representatives and a majority of the Senate.

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    [–] 31 points 2 years ago (15 children)
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    [–] 30 points 2 years ago

    States rights!!!!! Sometimes.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    I mean, the whole argument hinges on the fact that the procedures around Section 3 are ambiguous, but clearly since states haven't tried to do it themselves before, that means they obviously don't have the authority. So, the precedent exists not because it has actually been set, but because it can be inferred to exist by the fact that it hasn't been set.

    May as well have signed it in crayon, too. OH WAIT THEY DIDN'T SIGN IT

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    "It's not for us to decide. It's up to the Republican controlled Congress to decide to allow Trump and any other Republican candidate and not allow Democrat candidates the same luxury."

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    [–] 25 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Short term this is disappointing, but long term I think it is for the best. Being unanimous makes it less likely a state will ignore the rulling, and had they ruled against Trump, then we would have seen decades of retaliation from red states removing all democrats for any reason.

    The root of the problem remains that nearly half our voting citizens support electing a violent and hateful criminal.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Guess we really are going the route of states ignoring federal rulings and laws. This might get scary in the next few years.

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