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[–] 193 points 3 years ago (44 children)

Horrible idea. No one sees this button, no one knows what it does, and upvotes definitely should have that effect.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    Ernest is likely working on it

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    We talking P. Worrell or the developer guy?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I'd give anything to have Ernest P. Worrell back and on the case.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    Agreed. I upvoted AND boosted your comment for redundancy.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (9 children)

    They're not redundant functions. They're... Mixed up on kbin right now, because things were originally built with the up button boosting content, but that's incongruent with how Lemmy does it, so it was changed.

    But boosting isn't really about sorting at all. It's about republishing content, so that it can be sent out to instances that have started following a group after the content was originally posted.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    I believe it is more akin to 're-tweeting' for your followers.

    All boosts you boost are not private and everyone can see everything you have boosted

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  • [–] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    How it's interpreted it is entirely up to the UI layer. On microblogs, it's surfaced as a retweet-like behaviour, but it's not surfaced at all here, really, except on kbin where it's used to report who has reboosted something.

    At its core, it's a republish button, and just as if you were to republish someone else's blog post on your own blog, people can see, if they look closely enough, that you've done it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    This makes sense — but if nobody knows it there is lots of room for confusion.

    “Boost” seems more like “updoot” than “retweet“. Perhaps more importantly why would one retweet a comment? Rather than a post?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Perhaps more importantly why would one retweet a comment? Rather than a post?

    The way content propagation works here is that someone using Website A follows a remote content source (either a user, or a group -- aka a "community" or a "magazine"), and the remote hosting website (let's call it Website B) sends all subsequent content from that source to Website A, where the requesting user can then view it. If someone from Website A was already following that content source, then they get to see all of the content that Website A had already received, and benefit from earlier users efforts. But if that person was the first from Website A to subscribe to that content source, then they only get future content.

    It's very similar to a, well, a magazine subscription in that way. NatGeo isn't sending you their 150 years worth of back catalogue when you subscribe in 2023 (not that you should bother subscribing to NatGeo in 2023).

    The 'boost' button republishes content, though. Posts, comments, whatever. Hitting 'boost' on a comment republishes it, and once republished the group actor (the little bot-like construct that functionally is the group) sees it as new content, and pushes it out to everyone following it. This means it will reach websites that started subscribing to the group after the comment was originally posted.

    Boosting is how older content (where older basically means "from anytime before literally right now") spreads through the fediverse.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    Yea, i'm working on my own Fedi software and i'm struggling with the point of boosting in the link aggregator context. It's an odd overlap with Reddit-style reposting to appropriate subs, but based on the user.

    It makes sense in the Twitter UX, but i struggle to find it's place in the Reddit UX.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    Boosting is super important in all contexts in the Fediverse.

    When am instance subscribes to a content source - be that a user actor or a group actor - on behalf of a user, it only requests future content. Back catalogues are not fetched by default. Boosting re-publishes the content, so that it is received by new followers.

    With a group actor, the boost triggers the actor to reboot the content itself, sending it out to new subscribers to the group, and filling in that back catalogue.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    Should they? It seems to me that we should have way, way more control over how we choose to sort things.

    That should be one of the options, of course, but we can have so much more here.

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    [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    @tryplot oh for real? I had no idea. My brain said “looks like Reddit upvotes, must work the same way”. The up/downvote buttons are placed prominently in a way that suggests they are impactful, whereas boost is just kinda tertiary / seems less important.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    What does the upvote/downvote do, could someone kindly explain?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    As it stands now the upvote works as a favorite or like, downvote lowers reputation, boost raises reputation. It's a bit confusing and there's an open ticket on this. I'm not sure if all old actions will carry over or when the operations change it'll get reset.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Is this a UI issue or a fundamental flaw of the Fediverse? In other words, is this only confusing because of how the UI and thread display logic respond to the data they’re getting? Is this just an issue of how the comments thread is ordered, and the fact that it isn’t what the user would expect? (I only ask because I’m curious and want to know how this place works)

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    that is currently the situation due to boost and favorite being switched to make kbin more compatible with lemmy, but post and user reputation are currently still counting boosts.

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    [–] 7 points 3 years ago

    That's one thing I don't like about kbin. I'm used to upvotes and downvotes and trying to be Reddit and Twitter at the same time just doesn't work. I think we should leave microblogging to Mastodon and concentrate on link aggregation.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 years ago

    Makes just about as much sense as communities being called "Magazines" and threads being called "Articles". There is a lot to like about Kbin but also a lot that boggles my mind.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    This isn't the case though? Upvotes (aka favourites everywhere else) are what affect the "algorithm" the functionality thats broken is Karma tracking.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I think actually it's both.

    I think Hot and Top are sorted according to upvotes + boosts (weighted x2) less downvotes. I think the plan is reputation will work the same way (once it gets fixed).

    ...but reading this thread I wonder if that needs a rethink - people seem to boost rather more liberally than expected/intend in order to game this algorithm.

    It was thought/expected that, since boosts effectively retweet the comment, they would be used quite sparingly - this is why they have a relatively high significance.

    We could probably do with some clarity on all of this because this line of discussion has been repeated many times and there is quite a lot of hearsay and misinformation being parroted. @Ernest ?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    ...but reading this thread I wonder if that needs a rethink - people seem to boost rather more liberally than expected/intend in order to game this algorithm.

    I think it's because of all of the posts that say "boosts are upvotes", and people are just confused, so they use the boost button alongside the upvote button. Once this gets fixed, the amount of boosts will probably go down

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  • [–] 3 points 3 years ago

    No, reputation on your profile is just bugged.

    Upvotes are upvotes.

    Stop spreading this please.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (5 children)

    But also keep in mind, anyone can look at your profile and see what you have boosted.

    So there's a privacy issue with boosting threads/comments.

    For example, https://kbin.social/u/tryplot/boosts

    I can see you boosted a thread about Biden and Assisted Deaths

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    [–] 2 points 3 years ago

    This isn't true. Posts and comments are sorted by upvotes, downvotes, and age. The place where wires got crossed with regard to upvotes and boosts is "reputation" on your profile. Boosts are supposed to be like retweets.

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