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We're reaching the end of an era wherein billions of dollars of investor money was shovelled into tech startups to build large user-bases, and now those companies (now monoliths) are beginning to constrict their user-bases and squeeze for every single penny they can possibly extract. Fair or not.

Now more than ever, it's important for us to step back and reconsider whether we want to be billboards for these companies anymore.

For anyone unfamiliar, some good resources to have when starting your degoogling journey are below:

Privacy Guides - A list of privacy-respecting services you can use.

Plexus - A crowdsourced information bank of service compatibility with degoogled devices.

This random PDF - A study from 2018 detailing data that Google tracks about its' users.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

It's been a long time in the making, but I've finally degoogled and largely removed all proprietary software from my personal life. I know this topic is pretty well covered here and elsewhere so just to add to the list of others, here's where I'm at these days:

  • OS: Fedora (Silverblue) Linux (w/ AMD Radeon GPU)
  • Email: Thunderbird w/ hosted email over IMAP
  • Calendar/Contacts: Radicale instance w/ DAVx⁵ on Android
  • Storage: Syncthing
  • Web: Firefox
  • Search: Startpage and DuckDuckGo mostly, but still use Google and Bing on occasion
  • IM: Signal
  • Desktop productivity: LibreOffice when I need it (Collabora Office on Android)
  • Notes: Vim, VS Code (Markor on Android); most of my "docs" are just plain text files written in markdown
  • Passwords: KeepassXC/DX
  • Code editor: Vim, VS Code
  • GrapheneOS on mobile, with almost entirely FOSS apps
  • Kindle e-book reader with management via Calibre
  • Media managed by Kodi with a raspberry pi
  • Proxmox hypervisor for Windows/Linux VMs and containers

Gaming under Linux has improved unbelievably these past few years, now that Steam is contributing with their Steam Deck platform. I used to have to dual-boot Windows to keep up with the latest titles, but I wiped it about a year ago and things have been great.

I still rely on Microsoft Excel and Adobe Photoshop for some tasks, but less so now than ever before. Unfortunately, my work will always be a Windows-dominated environment.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

How has a self hosted imap been treating you?

I heard some pretty brutal stories, like big email providers just refusing emails from self hosted servers

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I self-host my own mail server. I don't send many emails, but they seem to be arriving correctly whenever I do at the moment, but it wasn't always like this. I've properly setup SPF, DKIM and DMARC, which helps a lot, but my IP address was blacklisted on some servers from a previous owner I guess. I have a VPS from OVH. I had to manually fill out some forms to get Microsoft Outlook to accept emails from my server. Despite that, it has been working flawlessly. I have my own domain since 2017, and I'd say the age of the domain is also important.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Not OP, but I used to self host email. I gave up because both google and microsoft, the two big players in email, refused to deliver my mail to anywhere but spam/junk. I had DKIM, SPF and DMARC set up, with reverse DNS set up correctly. So I gave up. Now I use a privacy friendly email provider (paid)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have to just be sure that you at least know about demicrosofted VS Code, VS Codium

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I used to rely almost exclusively on Google for almost anything online. Fortunately, I'm much less dependent on Google and their services now. I'm even self-hosting some of my own services nowadays!

  • Search engine: Ecosia and DuckDuckGo
  • E-mail: Protonmail
  • File storage: Nextcloud (selfhosted)
  • Online Office Suite: Nextcloud Office (selfhosted)
  • Maps: OpenStreetMaps
  • 2FA App: Aegis
  • Translator: DeepL
  • Notes and Tasks: Obsidian.md
  • Calendar: An actual wall calendar :)

Every single one of these apps/services used to be provided by google, so I think it's safe to say I've come a long way!

Of course, things could be better. I still use Google Contacts for synchronizing my, hum, contacts. I also use YouTube quite a bit, but as a paying customer my experience with it is just fine. I also use gboard on my phone — for bilingual speakers there's just no good alternative, imho. And, finally, I download/update most of my phone apps through Google Play.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

Outside of work I’ve degoogled with the exception of google calendar (shared family google calendar so that would need to bring everyone along with me!) and unfortunately the google Wi-Fi/nests.

I would like to swap out the google Wi-Fi but it just seems like such a lot of money to waste and they are working at the moment for the mesh Wi-Fi. I’ve just made sure to disable and opt out to as many of the google analytic tracking as possible.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So um…how do I show the lemmyverse that this is a really important post without the shiny meaningless gold coin?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yes. But remember to share!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Interact, share. Be positive.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Upvote i guess ❤️🍓

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I deleted my Google accounts today and made a Proton email to replace my previous emails with. I’m now using Firefox and DDG, and it honestly feels much fresher now. I’m happy to finally be exploring alternatives to Google and learning about online security and integrity.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

i can see on your profile that you're 17, you're awesome for taking these things seriously so young. it gets a chuckle sometimes when people see no google apps on my phone, or a different search engine when i look something up. if you hear any laughs, just know you're on the right side of history :p

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

These past few weeks I’ve really been getting more and more into programming and online security. I reckon I will learn a lot from this community, and Lemmy in general. The whole Reddit migration thing already taught me plenty about how a corporate app can drive away its users. It feels good to let Google go, and here is to learning more about everything federated and decentralised!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Deleted: accidental duplicate post

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

idk if you're familiar with the 'reddit hack' when making searches online. basically, you add 'reddit' to the end of your search and you'll get a list of reddit posts discussing the thing you're looking for.

i want a 'lemmy hack' to replace this, ending a search with 'site:beehaw.org' or 'site:lemmy.world'.

this only works if people ask questions for people to answer, so please make posts if you have any questions during your privacy journey. you'll be building the foundations for lemmy to fill that void reddit once did :)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I moved off a while ago at this point... I still have to use some of it because of work being on G-Suites but otherwise my personal stuff has moved.

  • Email: Hey & ProtonMail
  • Storage: Dropbox
  • Notes: SimpleNotes & Obsidian.md
  • Chat: Telegram & Matrix/Element
  • 2FA: ProtonPass (as of yesterday, Authy before that)
  • Passwords: 1Password
  • Other: Apple stuff mostly
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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Basically degoogled except YouTube because content creators are on that platform. Also occasionally needs to use Google search because DDG sometimes doesn't work.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I have started to degoogle bits and pieces. I self-host the majority of the services I need and really enjoyed the journey so far since I learned so much. I am approaching the stage in my life where I have less time to spend on personal hobbies so I fear this path may not be sustainable. In my opinions here are the pros and cons.

Pros:

  • Full control of my data
  • Pick the ideal tool from the open source community
  • Learning experience
  • Engagement with community

Cons:

  • Technical knowledge needed to setup and maintain self-hosted tools
  • Self-hosted tools have security risks (best to put everything behind VPN)
  • Disparate tools don't connect together (requires additional automation configuration)
  • Additional costs for services including and not limited to: domain name, email, backup storage, self-host server hardware, VPN, and donations to devs
  • Higher personal downtime due to lacking features, server and service maintenance
  • Time sink to learn, research, general devops of tools, maintenance of server

Key services to name a few:

  • File storage - Nextcloud
  • File sync - Syncthing
  • Office- Nextcloud + Collabora
  • Email - Mailfence
  • Photos - Photoprism

So far there are more negatives than positives, but the positives still outweigh negatives. I do have to say degoogling is getting easier than before.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Just switched from Google photos to photoprism. It's pretty awesome! It only took 8 hours to index and label my 17500~ photos (not including the week and a half Google Takeout took). That was the big one for me. Not I am slowly working through all my other google/centralized services and seeing if there are self hosted or decentralized alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

pretty effectively!

I use a Searx instance for searching (with the engine it uses set to DDG), Tutanota for email and Piped/Invidious and Libretube for videos. meanwhile on both my phone and tablet I've used ADB to purge all of Google's malware, and Play Services is outright disabled on my tablet lmao (and contrary to what one might think, the only thing it impacts is I don't get app notifications)

and then I use Aurora Store to update Twitch and Discord, and I use alternatives from F-Droid for stuff like the calendar

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I've been running my own Nextcloud instance since 2020, which, combined with ProtonMail, has replaced basically everything I was using Google/Microsoft for

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Didn't realize you could host your own, that's good to know

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

100% degoogled. Everything is selfhosted, except for Telegram. Even at job :)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Working on it
Had to give them some money for a Pixel 7, at least it was half off plus a trade-in on the old phone Installed GrapheneOS a couple of days ago

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

As far as my PCs, I use a subscription service for email (fastmail.com). I'm still using the Chrome browser, but at some point I may have to go to Firefox for the sake of my uBlock Origin extension which I rely on heavily. Functionality of that extension on Chrome may be reduced at some point by the forced migration to Google's new extension platform (Manifest V3).

I have to have a Google account for my Android phone. I don't think I'll ever be able to get away from that. I mean you have two choices with phones, Android or iOS. I'm not going anywhere near Apple so Android is it. I've audited all my privacy settings in my Google account to minimize personal data, whether they actually honor those settings or not, who knows.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I deleted my google drive content so they can't arbitrarily decide something I wrote is worth banning my account over or use it to train their AIs, I made a backup, obviously.

Even though my content is safe, deleting it off of Google's servers felt like drowning my own children in a bathtub

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

(sigh) Probably not enough. I was enthusiastic about Google when I first started using it in 2002 (twenty years ago, it really was a cut above other search engines) and had intense loyalty to the brand, which hasn't entirely evaporated. I still use the search engine from time to time, still use Gmail, still use Android phones. There's a lot Google was doing right at the beginning, but eventually, they cast aside the façade of "don't be evil" and revealed themselves to be only slightly less sleazy than Microsoft.

I still use Microsoft products, too. Just could never get used to the taste of Linux in my mouth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tried DDG a few times over the years. Sorry, but it just doesn't do it for me. Results were terrible. Google had lots of results and it was just too much effort to keep switching from DDG if it doesn't provide an answer. Because I know Google will.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I have been using DDG as default for probably two years now. I love how I get so few ads and a cleaner experience as well. I absolutely agree Google has better results sometimes and I just use !g at the start of my search to get purely Google results. The search operators are amazing and there are so many!

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Proton's services, Cryptomator, Invideous, GrapheneOS, a handful of apps from f-droid.

Also, quick plug - [email protected] is the official Privacy Guides community on Lemmy!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The only thing I still hold onto my account for is YouTube. I pay for mailbox.org which covers email, calendar and cloud stuff. Their website could be better but the service is quality and their privacy policy is tight. When I was on android I used a bunch of custom roms with microg. My favourite ended up being calyxos but they all had a little jank here or there. I dearly miss NewPipe for android as a replacement for the official youtube app.

Edit: I also pay for Kagi for search. The price is a bit steep but I have found it justifiable in terms of the value I get from it. Whoogle and Searx are good options too

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I try not to use anything google with exception of a few YouTube videos, but I don’t have an account, I also have most of their tracking/ad sites blocked on my network (Apple too), if that blocks a site / video from working then I don’t use that site.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Only apps by Google I use are gboard, gmail and translator. If someone knows well designed alternatives please share.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Fastmail is fantastic from a user experience perspective, though depending on your privacy demands it may not pass the test.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Long time Fastmail user here. Where is it failing with respect to privacy?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If swipe typing is your thing, take a look at anysoft keyboard (but be prepared to do a lot of menu diving!)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Nobody has mentioned a translator alternative so I would recommend DeepL, though what they collect for data I don't entirely know so go with caution

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I have slowly but surely moved everything important off google. My main email is a proton mail now, and I changed my pixel for a oneplus :).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve wanted to do this too for about a year but I see no benefit since most addresses I correspond with are unencrypted. One-way encryption is negligibly any better - unless I’m seriously misunderstanding Proton.

I’d switch to @iCloud.com but that just feels goofy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's more about the ethics of the company hosting than any encryption benefits for me personally. Self-hosting would be ideal but email is a bit too important for me to do that personally, so I use proton as a compromise.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

this, but also proton-to-proton emails are end-to-end encrypted by default. see here for more info. supporting security-by-default is super important to me.

your email is quite literally an advert. almost every time someone sees my emails end in @tuta.io or @aleeas.com, they ask me about it. when all emails use a google or a microsoft domain it reinforces this oligarchy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Changing from a Pixel to another Android phone is hardly degoogling, if anything it's just inviting in another pair of eyes! Ironically the best way to degoogle on Android is with a Pixel running GrapheneOS!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Currently the only Google services I use are accessed through open-source third-party implementations - in particular, Aurora Store, NewPipe, and SmartTubeNext! That said, nowadays I only use YouTube regularly and sometimes access their play store's servers on the rare occasion that I actually need to install/update a proprietary application.

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